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whitewave Fri 24-Jun-16 18:54:04

I think it will be interesting to track what the result of the vote brings us. Good or bad.

Friday 24 th June

Result out.

France wants to renegotiate the Le Touquet agreement

£ has the biggest drop since 1985

Mark Carney moved to try to steady the markets

Scottish first minister suggested that they are highly likely to go for a second referendum

petra Tue 12-Jul-16 09:00:35

This is gloom & doom from Europe
Europes stricken banking sector needs £128 billion bailout to stave off collapse.
David Folkerts- landau of Deutsche bank believes the industry could be headed for disaster unless urgent action is taken.
He said " Europe is extremely sick and must start dealing with its problems * extremely quickly* or else there might be an accident. I'm no doomsday prophet, I am a realist"
And some people think we have problems.

Anya Tue 12-Jul-16 08:57:36

Time to reflect and a jar of beluga.

Anya Tue 12-Jul-16 08:56:10

Willingly obieone

Others seem to think it too far fetched but I think it only took a little bit of thinking out and George Osbourne did go missing after the Brexit vote so had time to reject.

Object was to ensure Boris didn't get into no. 10 even though he was the 'favourite' (perhaps George didn't want him living next door...noisy music, always popping in to borrow a far of beluga, etc)
Next objective was to neutralise and humiliate Gove

Both objectives achieved. How?

Get some plants, false friends, to ring up Gove and suggest he'd be better for the job. Gullible Gove actually admitted he'd received several of these calls, late at night. So in tne early hours, fuelled by ambition, he tells Boris he's withdrawing his support and standing instead

Thus Boris out of race and Gove exposed for what he was, was never going to win the respect of the party.

Leaving the door open for Theresa May, Dave and George's preferred candidate. No noisy kids at no 10 and the country is safer hands than Boris's.

And all it took was a couple of late night phone calls.

Simples!!

obieone Tue 12-Jul-16 08:42:29

Anya, I have not been on gransnet much in the last few days. Can you remind me or tell us what your conspiracy theory is?

obieone Tue 12-Jul-16 08:41:09

Hurrah!
Finally people are beginning to get out of their doom and gloom.

For those that are not, I very carefully and politely suggest that you try to, else depression can start setting in.
Doing some positive things, and trying to think positively, help to stop depression in certain situations and for certain people.

Anya Tue 12-Jul-16 08:34:27

If my conspiracy theory is right then Osboirne will remain at no 11

Anya Tue 12-Jul-16 08:33:08

And 300 new jobs created at Birmingham Airport as another company is choosing to fly out of it.

petra Tue 12-Jul-16 08:30:08

Just heard that Boeing did a multi million £ deal at the farnborough air show which will create 2,0000 jobs in this country.
More gloom & doom.

whitewave Tue 12-Jul-16 07:22:06

The markets like the fact thst we've finally settled our premiership! Rose to a 11 month high.

Jalima Mon 11-Jul-16 23:32:31

They think it's all over grin

but it has only just begun ....

rosesarered Mon 11-Jul-16 23:28:42

Politics is like football.......a funny old game.grin

Jalima Mon 11-Jul-16 23:26:36

X posts rosesarered I was replying to yours of 23.10.08, not the next one! smile

Yes, very odd! (in reply to your next post)

hmm not sure about Leadsom and Gove. She may give them jobs that keep them happy but don't amount to much.

George was being very nice and positive about her, DH and I both said 'just you wait, you might be sacked soon'

rosesarered Mon 11-Jul-16 23:16:05

Am interested to see who will be in the cabinet, now that Theresa May is to be the new PM.I imagine Gove will be, and maybe Andrea Leadsom, and David Davis.

Jalima Mon 11-Jul-16 23:12:47

That's why I was astonished at the behaviour of some!

rosesarered Mon 11-Jul-16 23:12:15

Yes Jalima there is often an element of Brit bashing ( from Brits on here!) which is funny when you think about it ( and weird.)

rosesarered Mon 11-Jul-16 23:10:08

Having visited Germany a fair bit, I have never seen any British being rude there, or any Germans being rude either, there are always some I suppose, but most British and Germans are polite to one another, in fact in many ways we are much alike.

Jalima Mon 11-Jul-16 23:07:40

Thanks for all the replies on Anti-German feelings.
MargaretX I don't have anti-German feelings, none of my family has or had.
As I say, DF, although being in the Forces in both world wars, was very welcoming to my German boyfriend in the 1960s
DN spend a year in Germany as part of her degree course and has many friends there, has gone there often.
DD has lived and worked in Germany.
DB and SIL ran the German society in their town.
One of our friends here is an elderly German lady, been here since the 1950s.

It is just that you (I think) said that the Germans consider the British to be discourteous and unfriendly, and I observed that I had seen some very discourteous behaviour by Germans when on holiday on the Continent and further afield; there are badly behaved, discourteous elements in all nationalities.
There are also many more who are friendly, courteous and welcoming in all nationalities.

There is often a British-bashing element on some threads, and I was just trying to redress the balance and agreed with another poster whose post expressing her view was immediately jumped on.

petra Mon 11-Jul-16 22:56:39

daphnedill I haven't missed the point. I repeat: no other part of our multicultural society were mentioned.

daphnedill Mon 11-Jul-16 22:48:26

You've missed the point. There was a sharp rise in abuse of Muslims after 23rd June. BREXIT was irrelevant, but it gave racists courage to abuse Muslims.

Here are the 25 events that were recorded between 24 and 27 June that directly related to Brexit. Please be aware that some of the language is offensive:

A Welsh Muslim councillor was told to pack her bags and leave.
A man in a petrol station shouted: "You're an Arabic c**t, you're a terrorist" at an Arab driver and stated he “voted them out”.
A Barnsley man was told to leave and that the aggressor’s parents had voted for people like him to be kicked out.
A woman witnessed a man making victory signs at families at a school where a majority of students are Muslim.
A man shouted, “you f**king Muslim, f**king EU out,” to a woman in Kingston, London.
An Indian man was called “p**i c**t in a suit” and told to “leave”.
Men circled a Muslim woman in Birmingham and shouted: “Get out - we voted Leave.”
A British Asian mother and her two children were told: "Today is the day we get rid of the likes of you!" by a man who then spat at her.
A man tweeted that his 13-year-old brother received chants of “bye, bye, you’re going home”.
A van driver chanted “out, out, out”, at a Muslim woman in Broxley, Luton
Muslims in Nottingham were abused in the street with chants of: “Leave Europe. Kick out the Muslims.”
A Muslim woman at King’s Cross, London, had “BREXIT” yelled in her face.
A man in London called a South Asian woman “foreigner” and commented about UKIP.
A man shouted “p**i” and “leave now” at individuals in a London street.
A taxi driver in the West Midlands told a woman his reason for voting Leave was to “get rid of people like you”.
An Indian cyclist was verbally abused and told to “leave now”.
A man on a bike swore at a Muslim family and muttered something about voting.
In Newport, a Muslim family who had not experienced any trouble before had their front door kicked in.
A South Asian woman in Manchester was told to “speak clearly” and then told “Brexit”.
A Sikh doctor was told by a patient: “Shouldn’t you be on a plane back to Pakistan? We voted you out.”
An abusive tweet read: “Thousands of raped little White girls by Muslims mean nothing to Z….#Brexit”.
A group of men abused a South Asian man by calling him a “p**i c**t” and telling him to go home after Brexit.
A man shouted at a taxi driver in Derby: "Brexit, you p**i.”
Two men shouted at a Muslim woman walking towards a mosque “muzzies out” and “we voted for you being out.”
A journalist was called a “p**i” in racial abuse apparently linked to Brexit.

www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2016/06/25-times-people-used-brexit-attack-muslims-eu-referendum

petra Mon 11-Jul-16 22:30:28

Did anyone see Dispaches on channel 4 this evening? It was titled Rascist Briton.
The whole programme was focused on Muslim problems. If I were black, Jewish, Hindu or Eastern European I would would have been pretty pissed off.
It was as if no other culture has a problem. I am so angry.

MargaretX Mon 11-Jul-16 21:09:19

Thanks for all the replies on Anti-German feelings. strangley enough I am more sensitive to it than most Germans. My husband is not bothered he has worked and lived in England but he is not interested now in going back.

When teaching English a family with a carvan told me about a caravan site in Brighton.
When they arrived with their caravan the owner stopped them at the entrance and said FRENCh there....... ENGLISH there.... GERMAN there........ all in different directions.

daphnedill Mon 11-Jul-16 20:47:22

I'm just reporting what I experienced almost every day of my working life and the embarrassment when I organised exchanges.

Jalima Mon 11-Jul-16 20:45:40

I'm not interested in stereotypes.
Me neither, that is why is is so surprising to see such stereotypes reinforced by actual real-life situations personally experienced.

daphnedill Mon 11-Jul-16 20:39:31

Two towns near me:

www.cambridge-news.co.uk/sad-day-town-twinning-group-ends/story-22379856-detail/story.html

www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/dec/01/bishops-stortford-dumps-twin-towns

(Nothing to do with BREXIT)

NfkDumpling Mon 11-Jul-16 20:26:49

Our town is twinned with one in France and they're a very happy lot and have annual exchange visits. We did join them for a while but couldn't keep up. A lot of wine always seems to be involved. AS far as I know Brexit hasn't stopped them.

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