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I don't think it matters that NS has been knocked back. What matters is that she is stating forcefully Scotland's dissatisfaction with the result as it is part of their devolved agreement. The Brexit fixers now have to take that into account when telling us their Grand Design for the new Britain.

One thing I am absolutely clear on is that all negotiations and decisions must be absolutely transparent. We have had enough of spin, obfuscation and lies. Each move must take the population with it.

Indeed we have whitewave.

Ruth Davidson would have to be an MP if she was to be the leader of the UK Tories, and would probably have to stand in an English constituency as we have only 1 Tory MP here and there is probably no such thing as a "safe" Tory seat.

If Brexit is really going to happen I like the idea of getting England & Wales to follow the example of Greenland - out of the EU but still part of Denmark - while Scotland and NI stay in. That would save breaking up the UK, which many on both sides of the border don't want (although I would vote Yes again if we were guaranteed a place in the EU).

Not suggesting Ruth Davidson for England. When I said we have a credible opposition leader I mean the Scottish parliament has. I well understand that she is not, cannot and will not be a leader of the opposition at Westminster- largely because she's a Scottish tory andthe Labour party aren't trying to headhunt her as far as I know.

Yes, I know, but her name has been mentioned as a potential Tory leader, even before the referendum, and if she ever did go for it, she would need a parliamentary seat. Just saying.

I first noticed Ruth during the Scottish referendum and watched her performance opposite BJ in the Wembley debate. She is a powerful speaker and so sharp she beat him into a cocked hat BUT it was BJ who got the loud cheers when he ambled forward to present the closing remarks alongside her. He clearly had many croneys in the audience.

Hammond also said there is no way any trade deals with Europe will be able to avoid free movement of people- as Switzerland and Norway, cited again and again, know full well.

www.democraticaudit.com/?p=22915

There will have to be another referendum.

Talking to son this evening and he was saying that although there is a majority for leave, this will have to be tempered by the fact that there are almost as many for remain. In a democratic country this fact should be taken into account
He reckons there will end up being a sort of semi-detached UK to the EU

That makes sense to me as I don't think you can totally ignore almost 50% of the electorate neither would it be sensible.

Son is also think I g of emigrating to Australia both him and his wife have skills that gives them lots of points. I made all the right noises but feel very sad -still it hasn't happened yet.

My daughter is saying the same, although not necessarily Australia. Not helped by the fact that a friend of there's was shouted at when filling up with petrol by a gang of yobs saying 'when are you going home then'. As a family we are in despair at what's happening here.

Most interesting link Jen,

Ask your kids to read the link, and not to give up on us yet.
Shouldn't your son just go to Europe, whitewave? He'll know all the EU environment agency laws.
One son will be going to Spain when/if he gets made redundant in December. If the other one gets made redundant from the council, he'll be off to Denmark.

Just from browsing Twitter this morning it looks as if Boris is backpedalling fast (how anyone thinks he would be a credible PM is completely beyond me) and Gove and Farage keeping quiet.
A Brexit tweeter says that there should be a 'Leave' government. Leaving aside the complete naivity of this statement, I completely agree. If it's going to work (which I am convinced it won't) it has to be driven by those who are totally behind it. And if it fails we'll know exactly who to blame.

Let's not go cap in hand to the EU asking for 2nd class citizenship (the 'Norway' option) as Boris now seems to be suggesting. That really would mean no say whatsoever in EU decisions. Which I thought was a major plank in the Leave case.

PS. I was very amused to find that the Ugov petition (3.5 million signatures and still rising fast) was started by a Brexiter in anticipation of a defeat

Johnson has said there is no rush to get out of the EU. Most of the EU has said get out fast

dj yes he did mention that, but he isn't fluent in any of the European languages.

Daughter is In R&R so is feeling alarmed, but GSK is saying all the right things at the moment. They have a huge presence in the ROW.

One glimmer, he is looking at jobs outside of the EU funded and EU legislative bound job he's in, in the UK.

The irony is Johnsons father was huge in the setting up of this legislation. Makes you want to smile doesn't it.

Did you see Stanley on the Last Leg on Friday? He was definitely drunk.

Shares in Barclays suspended on the stock exchange.

RBS stock fallen by 8%

Stanley thought the audience were laughing with him not at him. Talk of cricket matches when half the country were in shock was shameful. These are the people now representing the working man.

This is the only kind of stall I would trust Johnson to set up. People could choose which faces they wanted on the coconuts.