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POGS Sat 25-Jun-16 12:02:42

Have I just heard Nicola Sturgeon announce Scotland is negotiating with the EU for Scotland to remain a member?

daphnedill Tue 28-Jun-16 11:24:14

Yup! That's the idea! Sweatshop of the world.

Beammeupscottie Tue 28-Jun-16 11:22:05

Oh I love that DD. POUNDLAND. For those who will buy any old crap.

daphnedill Tue 28-Jun-16 11:18:20

Good on Andy! Why not?

daphnedill Tue 28-Jun-16 11:17:52

I must admit I haven't heard any Gaelic speakers on the streets of England, so maybe she wasn't.

PS. Is it true that there's a proposal to rename England Poundland?

Beammeupscottie Tue 28-Jun-16 11:15:39

dd. If Andy Murray wins, he is going to declare his win for Scotland

Nonnie1 Tue 28-Jun-16 11:13:51

Elegran

It's not the Scots I am posting about. It's people who seem to be anti 'English'

I don't want to evict anyone ! Interpret me at will

daphnedill Tue 28-Jun-16 11:13:25

grin

And who's going to stand a chance at Wimbledon?

Beammeupscottie Tue 28-Jun-16 11:11:12

Thats right Nonnie, stick your head in the sand. What a childish act to block your ears.

Elegran Tue 28-Jun-16 11:08:49

Nonnie. I have to assume that it is mostly the Scots you are talking about as you posted on this thread.

If you evict all the Scottish doctors in England you will wait even longer to see one. And if you evict all the non-British doctors and nurses, then don't risk being ill at all.

Nonnie1 Tue 28-Jun-16 11:06:20

All the usual suspects posting.......... blah blah blah go and bang your drum. My fingers are now in my ears girls sad

Nonnie1 Tue 28-Jun-16 11:05:31

daphedill
I thought I made it clear I was not representing anyone.

It's disgusting the way people go on about the English. I'm happy to be who I am, and would never have made such a post if it were not for all the rhetoric going on here.

Change the subject if you possibly can. Talk about something else. It is not nice to read insults all of the time. It's boring, and quite frankly I've had enough of it

daphnedill Tue 28-Jun-16 11:04:30

Amazing isn't it? All those centuries it took to unite England/Wales and Scotland and it all goes up in a puff of referendum.

Beammeupscottie Tue 28-Jun-16 11:04:00

People who voted to leave are fantasists. The clock cannot be turned back. Dear old Blighty is finished.

POGS Tue 28-Jun-16 11:01:34

European Parliament gave a Scotland MEP a standing ovation for his speech and saying 'Do not let Scotland down'

Looking like Scotland might be in EU ???

daphnedill Tue 28-Jun-16 11:01:04

I'm English and you don't represent me.

daphnedill Tue 28-Jun-16 10:59:36

Scotland would be very happy to bugger off!

Nonnie1 Tue 28-Jun-16 10:57:42

Whoever said 'let England stew in it's own juice'... OOOh !

I am heartily sick of people slagging this little country off.

I have Irish neighbours of whom I am very fond, however when ever they get the opportunity they make sly digs at 'the English. I smile at them and really want to say, well if you feel like that then why live here?

So many people of other races who live here and slag us off.

If you really don't like us then bugger off.

For your information we have no juice left to stew in - other folk have all squeezed the life out of us.... NHS.. you can't get an appointment.. the doctor... you can't get an appointment until you are better.. housing... what a joke.

All the taxes and community charge I pay, and that entitles me to walk my doggies in the local country park I love and yet... people who can't even speak English pick up their children and scream when they see us coming towards them.

They are now saying the ex-pats who live in Spain will have to learn to speak Spanish... but what about all the people who live here in ghettos who will never speak a word of English? The ones who need interpreters in hospital or at the doctor? What about all these people who will never even try to integrate but want everything they can get whilst contributing nothing ??

Stop slagging the English off all of you. I am sure we will manage nicely when Scotland breaks all ties, and I do hope that includes monetary ties.

And if anyone wants to call me racist - then go for it. I am sick and tired of people going on about 'The English'

Thank you and goodnight

Beammeupscottie Tue 28-Jun-16 07:31:58

Good Far North. Let England stew in its own juice.

FarNorth Tue 28-Jun-16 02:29:52

From Beammeupscottie
"Someone said to me, in Sainsbury's, that Scotland wouldn't leave Britain as it gets money from us and who would plug the gap. 10/10 for the answer. The EU!"

Those who believe Scotland has been a drain on UK and EU finances are mistaken.
Once Scotland is no longer entangled in the UK, that will become obvious.

Granny23 Mon 27-Jun-16 23:23:07

Redestate841 The EU will be well aware that the largest stocks of oil in Europe are in Scottish waters*. Even with the current low prices this is a precious asset. Also with the largest coastline to land mass ratio of any European country, Scotland is ideally placed to benefit from wind and wave power and is never short of water. Not to mention, shellfish, salmon, whisky, Scottish beef - all valued in Europe. Best of all Scottish People have demonstrated that they WANT to be part of Europe. It is easy to see why the EU would want Scotland to remain IN the EU.

* Best fishing grounds in Europe are also in Scottish waters.

Elegran Mon 27-Jun-16 23:19:33

Does Holyrood have a veto over Brexit?

"This scenario is based upon an interpretation of the Scotland Act 1998, the statute which created (or, rather, recreated) the Scottish Parliament.

Clause 29 of that Act, anent legislative competence, empowers the Scottish Parliament to legislate in the devolved areas for which it is responsible - while obliging it to take care that nothing it does is "incompatible" with EU law.

In short, EU law has force in Scotland and, in devolved areas, is enacted and implemented by the Scottish Parliament, not Westminster

That has led constitutional experts, such as Sir David Edward to suggest that the consent of the Scottish Parliament would be required were it to be suggested that the UK's relationship with the EU, in legislation and other areas, might be altered.

Sir David made this point in evidence to a House of Lords inquiry."
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-36635012

Elegran Mon 27-Jun-16 23:07:51

Dr Cormac Mac Amhlaigh, a lecturer in public law at Edinburgh University and an expert in EU constitutional law, said:-

"It's a very tricky question. Formally speaking, it's the UK that enjoys EU membership and the EU would negotiate with the UK for withdrawal, both the terms and any subsequent relationship.

Scotland is not an independent state, so it does not formally have a direct relationship with the EU - that occurs through the UK.

So formally speaking, it seems Scotland would have to follow the procedures of becoming an independent state first, and then apply for accession to the EU, under the conditions that are stipulated in treaties at the moment.

Now that's the formal position, but if the EU was willing, it is likely they could suspend that or amend that, and start forming negotiations with Scotland if they so wished.

The rules surrounding this are often quite open and flexible, and I think there's nothing to stop the EU institutions negotiating with Scotland, making some sort of transitional arrangement and making some sort of arrangement so Scotland can inherit the UK's EU membership.

It would be complex, it would be tricky, it would be quite unorthodox, but I think it's certainly not impossible.

And really what we would be relying on here would be the political will - the political will of the remaining EU state governments, the EU institutions and of course the Scottish government and whether a remaining British government would be in agreement. So it is quite a complex question, but not impossible.

I think this could only work as part of a transition to an independent Scotland."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36643385

Elegran Mon 27-Jun-16 22:59:00

One possibility under discussion is for Gibraltar and Scotland, which both voted to remain in the EU, to maintain the UK's membership of the bloc.

Ms Sturgeon confirmed to the BBC that talks are under way with Gibraltar.

Northern Ireland could also potentially be included in the discussions.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36639770

Elegran Mon 27-Jun-16 22:57:03

Scottish farming minister Fergus Ewing said he had informal talks with other agriculture ministers in Brussels.

He said senior European officials told him that they would like to see Scotland as the EU's 28th member state.

[[http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36643387

Elegran Mon 27-Jun-16 22:43:32

Contributions to the UK are on a sliding scale, according to population. Scotland would be no less a contributor than Ireland - they were welcomed.

If the UK leaves the EU, a lot of financial institutions which couldn't stay in England could be tempted to relocate the short distance to a Scotland in the EU. There is already a substantial financial industry in Edinburgh, which is also a centre of legal and IT expertise. Don't underestimate Scottish potential. Or Nicola Sturgeon and Ruth Davidson.