Being blamed

Must say I feel very proud that DH and myself 'can't be blamed' as we voted with the young ones, for the young ones.

Stats don't lie. If our generation voted overwhelmingly for OUT, and our children and grandchildren for remain- then they have every right to be very disappointed (and therefore blame).

For those who wanted to know how the statistics were compiled:

1 From a YouGov panel - people who were contacted before and after the poll

2 By a sophisticated use of known demographic data from voting wards. The demographic data on every electoral ward is known. Details are held of age, income, educational qualifications, etc. Statisticians then work out that if a ward polls (say) 60% Leave and then compares that with the national average that was because of the skew in the demographic profile. Hope that makes sense. (My daughter - A Level Maths/Stats and degree in Economics explained it to me and I think I understood.)

Jane10,

The voting slips are numbered, but they don't keep a tally of them.

I was appalled by the article in the Independent that the over 60's have screwed Britain for the younger generation.
Maybe over 60's should not have a vote...what the hell do they know after 40 yrs of EU .
I am really angry with this mindset.
Why not shoot us all at 65 ?????

Apparently 40% of over 65s DID vote Remain, so hold your head up high if you were one of the 40%!

Always blame the parents or in this case the grandparents!
I would love to see the ratio of old to young voters and also the age ratio of the can't be bothered.

Someone mentioned problems in Portugal, well they have buckled down and life in Portugal is much better than I think it might be in the next few years in the UK.

it is done now and lets see what happens. If the older generation voted out then they must help with the keeping the UK going.

We might all find ourselves fruit and veg picking! Not joking.

Yes, completely agree that the statistics don't lie, but I've also felt the need to defend myself today. I voted Remain and so did most of those I know in my age bracket. Statistics - huh! I'm fuming at the demonization (strong word, but some of has been) of those of us in particular age brackets.

Daphnedill Hahaha thanks for one of the few laughs this week :D

I assume its all traceable as they take a note of our names on the electoral roll and give us numbered voting slips. Its all theoretically possible to find out who, where and what a person voted.

grove1234. They are just going from the polls.

The ageism on most political and newspaper facebook pages has been disgraceful. People have said that we shouldn't have voted, that we're all going to die soon anyway, that we don't understand what the EU is really all about etc.
It is often said in a post complaining about bigotry and I usually point out that ageism is another form of bigotry.
A large proportion of younger people didn't vote. If they had, it is probable the vote would have gone the other way.
The idea that we should hold another referendum and go through all this nastiness, divisiveness and name calling again is horrendous.

how is it known what way each section of Britain voted thought voting was secrete

I object to some people assuming that all older people are responsible for us leaving the EU.

Some of us prefer to be part of Europe.

Once again I say we're going to hell in a handcart or, as my Canadian friend says, to sh.t in a handbag. Strange expression or not, I get the gist.

I voted for sovereignty, for our children's right to run our own army, our right not to belong to an ever increasing 'europe' that like it or not will eventually include Turkey and our right not to be governed by a parliament that moves at great expense every six months and has not had it's accounts ever signed off and does not care and proceeds regardless. I respect accountability, moral and fiscal.

Would you join a company of which the auditors won't sign off the accounts and the chairman doesn't care because it's in his own best interests not to care? That situation would never be good for our children, alive or to be born.

Yes, hugely insulted. I voted to remain, partly because of the (in my opinion) disasterous effect leaving will have on the UK economy. Partly (and the biggest part of my decision) because my son lives and works in Germany, is married to a German and my grandchildren have dual nationality. The impact on their lives of the UK leaving the EU will be huge.
To be lumped in with 'old people who are racist bigots' as I've seen so often on social media was upsetting and, as I've said, hugely insulting. Not helped by DH voting to leave the EU...

Robert Harris seems to be blaming Cameron for an unwise referendum call. The second half of the article is the better part, I think.

Thank you lovely people.
There's already news on the BBC this morning about UK border controls in France, they are talking about not doing it, who can blame them.

To go to Glasgow or Belfast, maybe a stab vest.

Denial, anger, bargaining........

I am becoming more and more convinced that those who wanted to remain are actually the majority. They just didn't vote!!!!!

Oh Nana I am so sorry that it is impacting you immediately - it is the same for us as we live in France. Thank goodness the locals here are still nice to us - which is not the case all over - the Charante have had some very iffy newspaper headlines and posters! But of course we are the migrants - and we do contribute tax like most of the EU migrants do in the UK. We also still pay tax in UK so there would be no extra benefit there to the coffers if we had to return!
Even though the prices are still the same here in Euros we of course get our pensions from UK - all a bit if a bugger really. But as you say the reasons given etc for voting out in many cases were not the best. It is the people who googled the EU after voting and then realised they had made a mistake who are the most maddening. As 28% of the population who were eligible to vote did not that gives a % of less than 40 of the whole population who did vote to leave.
Watch out Dover/Folkstone if they move the border back to UK - and of course Portsmouth but the freight trains through the tunnel are the easiest method of crossing without a ticket. You can travel as a ferry foot passenger from Calais to Dover for about 30€ - not a lot of money when you have paid thousands to get as far as Calais.

I can understand how you feel Nana. Let's hope there is still a way out of this mess

Oh nana I am so sorry. Chin up all is not lost yet. I hope your business survives the fallout though.

(((Nana3)))

It's all very well people saying that we'll get through it, but there are going be an awful lot of casualties. I hope you're OK.