Being blamed

Tegan send me one when you find one x

Have just watched Farage speaking at the EU parliament.
He really is a loose cannon.

I want a I didn't vote leave t shirt. Someone must be making them. I was scared to wear a t shirt before the referendum but don't give a damn now.

Where can I buy one?

Can we all get a Farage punch bag ?

Just been out for a Calming forest walk and lunch, get back in to relax with a cup of tea, then massive mistake - I put on the news and what am I presented with but Farage acting like an overgrown 15 year old in the EU parliament. God almighty isn't there anyone who can give him a slap? Then we have the UKIP mo Carswell, telling the BBC that we will have this that and the other etc etc etc. So remind me how many UKIP MPs there are? Oh yes him, well bugger off Careswell you might have won the vote but there is another 50% breathing down your neck and we will not let you get away with selling us down the river.

My daughter managed to find a Farage punchbag from somewhere.

I did know that George Osbourne approved the loan .UK have investments in the EIB as I imagine other EU governments do ,but according to the treasury at the time ,he was nothing to do with the decision making.
Think he just signed the cheque.

@Jalima

Yes, they did and I believe there were more job losses in Belgium than in the UK.

Ford claimed that they could produce vehicles more cheaply in Turkey than in the UK, even with longer supply chains. If that's true (and I have no reason to doubt it) the cost of the vehicles would be less to UK consumers.

That's the same argument the UK used not to back EU proposals to raise tariffs for Chinese steel. They claimed that the users of the steel in the UK would be able to reduce production costs.

I'm having to censor myself as so many expletives are rushing to my mind regarding that grinning t**t!

I think Farage is pretty thick- skinned Welshwife - and got what he has wanted for years.
Water off a duck's back I imagine.

Ford also shut a Belgian plant - I wonder how the Belgian workers felt? And still feel?


Perhaps history will look back on the EU as a social engineering experiment gone wrong.

Jalima I thought he really was a remainer but I read several articles about how he had for years been sceptical of the EU and in the out group - it has been mentioned more than once that he only showed he was on the remain side as he was Prime minister and so should do so. He realised pretty quickly how angry many of the population was and got out before the nasty stuff really hit the fan. I felt sorry for him on Friday - although he did not intend to fight another GE he has probably resigned earlier than he wanted - bet Samantha and the children are glad though!

Did you see Farage in the EU parliament - Tusck had a good go at him.

Granny2016

The loan was given to the Turkish Ford factory, before the announcement of job losses. Maybe the workers should ask George Osborne why he approved the loan from the European Investment Bank.

I would imagine the bank thought it would make money from the interest payments, which is the only reason any bank lends money.

If the women did keep their jobs, what difference would that have made to the way the men who lost theirs voted?

Did the women keep their jobs?

Daphnedill....
My comments were related to the modern day and without sinister connotations.

The EU does base much of its thinking on the writings of Coudenhove.
The EU cannot continue to include more and more countries with poor economies/jobs and sustain them all,unless it evens it out across the whole.
In 2013 Ford ,with help from a multi-million euro loan from the EU,moved manufacturing of their transit vans from the UK to Turkey.
Hundreds of men in Southampton and Dagenham lost their jobs.

I wonder how they voted last week?

Welshwife I doubt very much that Cameron was really an Outer (in fact I find that quite a bizarre statement).
He is visibly shaken and upset by the result - devastated I would say - and had he been a closet brexiter he would not have resigned, he would be seeing us through the process.
Unfortunately I and many others cannot say the same about Corbyn.

As for Johnson, I don't think he expected the vote to go in his favourand I don't think he has a plan at all.

For years politics in Britain has seemed to be reactive rather than pro-active and they have had the umbrella of the EU to make many of the decisions.

I voted to stayin and my daughters voted for out! And my 17 year old grand daughter said she would have voted out. So they bucked the trend twice as we are in Scotland lol.

If we had all voted exactly the same then we could be described as 'sheep' JessM

Just answering Jane10's comment to Smileless which I assumed was tongue in cheek.
We don't live in a totalitarian society.

One of the headlines in France today translates to - The English are Fools- and has photos of The Queen, Cameron and Mr Bean - says it all really
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Glad to see Farage having a hard time in Brussels - would have liked to see the whole spat. The Scottish MEP spoke well and got a standing ovation.

Poor George - doing his best to keep positive - hard task ahead of him to try and get things back on an even keel.

I think there are still a few worms to come out of the can and these will not appear for a while. Those who voted out are maybe a bit afraid that if the referendum result does not get agreement this time they never will - there wil be changes to the EU and they should be to the good of the comunities of the members.
I would be interested if the person who said that she did not find the workers rights good from within the EU could tell us in more detail what has he means as I have always thought they were much better than what workers had previously.

I first came across him on Wikipedia some time back.My brother has more in-depth knowledge of history than me,and has read some of Coudenhove-Kalergis writing ,so my knowledge of him stems from those sources.
My brother is not right wing or a conspiracy theorist either.

I did study the French Revolution for A level,but we missed out on the poetry.
I don,t frequent far right ,white supremacist sites,or The Daily Express.

Crass has many meanings,including unpleasant.
Your aspersion to my sources of information was indeed that daphnedill.

You didn't read about Coudenhove-Kalergi in any respected history book!

However, as you're such an expert, I expect you know the history of 'Ode to Joy' from Schiller's original poem, written before the French Revolution, and Beethoven's setting it to music after the uprisings of the early 1820s.

Over the years it became an uplifting anthem almost in the way Lennon's 'Imagine' has.

Coudenhove-Kalergi was an idealistic philosopher who believed in the ideals of the Enlightenment. It would appear he's been 'hijacked' by the conspiracy theorists of the far right. When 'practical' posted a link a few weeks ago, I Googled him and found references to the conspiracy, but only on far right and/or white supremacist sites. The Daily Express picked up on it (surprise surprise!)

PS. Have you tried looking up 'crass' in a dictionary?

That was supposed to be a grin logo .

I would expect that crass comment from you daphnedill,my only surprise is that you were not my first choice !!!

I have been an avid reader of history books since I was a 16 year old schoolgirl.
You can read an awful lot in 50 years .

No I am not PRACTICAL in disguise.
Is it un-nerving that there may be conspiracy theorists on Gransnet ??? grin