Being blamed

Johnson will not be fighting our corner with Juncker. Things stay as they are, There are no more concessions to be had.
Whoever is PM either gives article 50 to the EU or doesn't. All the negotiation is on the EU side. Just about when we leave. That's all.

Anyway, you voted for Johnson.

I will clarify that by integration,I am not referring to immigration,but to a much larger EU.

Many who voted to leave,did so based on the state of the EU at this current time and foreseeable future.
In the past 10 years there have been several changes/demands that have affected us negatively,including the Lisbon Treaty.
We have no idea how the EU will be in 10 or 20 years time,and therefore cannot assume that our young people will be satisfied living as a part of it.

It may change for the better.
Due to the UK vote , there have been comments from leading politicians in the EU this week stating that the EU in his current form may no longer be entirely appropriate for today,and that changes need to be made in order to make it more desirable.
Our young may or may not be part of it...that will depend how things are decided over the next two years.

As an out voter,based mostly on proposed expansion /integration plans,I am very surprised that the vote is not being made void.
The campaign on both sides was appalling,but the leave spin and its big red bus was breathtaking.
From their reaction,I can only assume that they had an alternative agenda .

God forbid we have PM Johnson fighting our corner with Juncker,we shall all be in sack cloth.

The comments I am referring too are the ones I've seen on this thread durhamjen. I'm not blind to the racism that exits in this country, it's wrong but it's also wrong to make disparaging remarks about those who opted to leave the EU.

Couldn't believe that news report white wave; those fans were a disgrace. I think anyone who denies the amount of racism in this country needs to see it.

Don't see why the French should have to pay for them. Did you see what they were saying to some gipsy children, and a Jewish person?

Are you pleased now, whitewave?
I hope a lot of thugs get kept over there for a few months in jail.

England are losing - good - bring back all the thugs and sort them out

indeed dj- hard to miss, that- tragically

Anyone see the English football fans on 4?
There is absolutely no doubt that this referendum has encouraged their behaviour. It may me ashamed to be British

Spoilsport djen...... Someone may have believed my scenario.

It's not those who wanted to stay who are writing racist comments on facebook and twitter, Smileless. They are not the ones who are putting placards on school doorsteps so young kids can see them when they arrive at school in the morning.

Have you managed to miss all that?

He didn't go until after the vote, roses. That's just trying to stir it.

Blame the Tories, blame the older people, blame anyone ( millions of them) that voted Leave, on and on and on like the Duracell Bunny.

Oh no, it's not the process that bores me whitewave it's the nastiness from those who wanted to stay toward those wanted to leave that bores me.

The decisions been made, what's the point of going on about it, we must look to the future and not keep harping on about what's been done.

Boredom means.....being sick to the back teeth of all the negativity.

Wonder if Tom Watson actually voted, or was he sat in his tent with a spliff or two saying Peace and Love and ( on the mobile to Corbyn) saying 'chillax Jez'.We shall never know.

Democracy is a process smile as I am sure you understand. So boredom at this process seems a tad odd.

Don't worry Jane I'm sure I'll be able to cope.

Switzerland recently voted to restrict Free Movement Granjura and is beginning to pay the price. Sounds like they are in big trouble with EU unless they change their minds.
My DH understands far more about economics than I do (comes of reading the Economist every week for about 3 decades maybe?). He's been explaining just how weak our post exit position will rem partly because we buy lots of things and "export" lots of services and not many goods . So if the UK tries to play tough by putting heavy tariffs on imports then the cost of our washing machines and mobile phones will go up considerably, while foreign countries can very easily restrict the access our services industries (mainly financial) have to their markets, without similar pain to consumers at their end. All of us puts us in an incredibly weak bargaining position. "We won't be in TTIP - we'll be shafted by something much worse".
What a bloody, pulpy mess we are in!
And who are the "sheep" precisely Jalima?

Oh how awful for you to be bored! Wish I could experience that luxury!

I listened to both sides of the argument and made my decision granjura. I didn't find Article 50 boring but find the inability of some who are unhappy with the result to accept the will of the majority, how ever small that majority may be, very boring indeed.

No, the EU doesn't just want us to stick to the rules. We have the right to invoke Article 50 when we're ready to do so and some, France in particular are pushing us to do so immediately.

The EU rules allow a member of the EU to leave if they wish to do so, so what rules are we breaking? I didn't think borders would be closed straight away and I don't want them to be closed but controlled.

I go to the States twice a year and have to have an ESTA to go. My son's in Australia and I have to apply for a visa to go and visit him. If we decided we wanted to retire there because he chooses to stay, we'd have to make an application and hope that we'd be accepted and to be accepted we'd have to fulfill their criteria.

We have to play by their rules so what's wrong with wanting those coming to Britain to play by ours. I don't want to have my cake and eat it, but I do want to be able to choose what cake I eat and when I want to eat it.

Switzerland and Norway were not able to get any trade deals with the EU without agreeing to free movement of people.

Why should the UK? It is a totally entrensic part of EU membership- and you just can't have one rule for one country, and another for all the others. Quite rightly so imho.

As said before, Switzerland has to pay massive fees to the EU for the privilege- and at the same time, NOT have any say or ANY representation in Brussels. Exactly as the UK will have when it leaves. And article 50 makes it clear that the UK will NOT be allowed to negotiate in any way shape or form once out. That was all clear from the very start. Have you read Article 50 that some of us have posted? Or was that too boring?

If the EU is such a wonderful organisation, why are they so worried that other member states may want to leave too?
Quite!

What is happening with the Polish people is worrying and disgusting.
Poles are amongst our oldest friends and allies, going back centuries. The only time relations were cooler was nearly a century ago - that time from the left of UK politics.

If we'd all voted Remain we wouldn't be in such a mess Smileless2012. Can't you see that?
we are not all sheep