Can a referendum be valid if won on lies?

Actually, granjura I think you have a flipping cheek to keep badgering people to reply and give their reasons.

but what else can one do?

You could try minding your own business.

Following this post:

And you have no idea why people voted Out, dd. You're just tarring everyone with a different opinion to yours with the same brush.

I am very happy not to tar anyone with the same brush- but it would help to know why.

But the question was to Ana, as she seemed to intimate that her reasons were different to the ones normally cited - so it is fair to ask, surely.

No, I wouldn't have voted Remain given what I know now, which actually is not much different from what I knew before I voted.

Je ne regrette rien.

I've justified given my position as a Leaver many times on gransnet. The trouble is, Remainers don't accept Leavers' justifications as valid so what's the point? Why ask? You can't 'justify' anything to someone who just scoffs and says it's no reason at all, that you have been misled, that you are ignorant of the facts, etc, etc.

No!

Not a trick question. Does anyone that voter to leave feel that they were misled and may have voted to remain, given what they know now ?.

I would have loved to have been there; had I not been in Northumberland I would have gone. Good for you grannyactivist#respect

It's quite hard not to generalise if people just refuse to reply and give their reasons though. Then we can only guess and perhaps come to the wrong conclusions- but what else can one do?

Aha! Just read my previous post, so I understand your post. I only have the evidence of what people have written. I have read baloney posts about sovereignty and taking back control. The truth is it came doen to immigration and xenophopia. I can understand why people are pi$$ed off with their situations. What I don't understand is what people hoped to achieve.

well done grannyactivist, wish I could have been there. It was reported on French news just now- and yet the huge numbers and peaceful demonstration seem to be ignored by the UK news.

Of course, no point in discussing why all of them voted OUT. We know some voted because of immigration, some for sovereignty, some as a protest against cuts, some because they believed lies fed to them.

So I am totally prepared to believe you felt it was the right thing to do- but if your reasons were different, why not just tell us- then we won't be able to 'tar with same brush'. Please, I am genuinely interested.

Well done, grannyactivist!

Where did I ever claim to have a very good idea why people voted Leave?

I had hoped to broaden my education on this site, but with comments like yours, it's obviously not possible.

Here I am in London today, living up to my name with a few thousand other activists.

So, you have challenged two people...and that gives you a 'very good idea why people voted to Leave'...? Says it all.

I'll leave you to air your obvious disbelief that anyone could possibly not have a good reason for disagreeing with you. Much good may it do you, but I suppose you have to vent your spleen somewhere.

I have a very good idea why people voted Leave and I have challenged them to justify their decision. In real life that has included a wannabe anarchist and a hedge-fund manager. In both cases they have a justifiable reason, but I doubt very much whether the other 16 million (or whatever it is) could justify their vote.

Ana, I for one would love to know. So if your reasons to vote OUT were different to most, why don't you tell us. Thanks.

@Ana

I haven't a clue what you're going on about. I hope you do.

I have never tarred anybody with the same brush.

DC also told us that in the event of Brexit he would, on Friday morning, immediately invoke article 50; well he didn't! no surprise of course because it will first have be agreed by Parliament, but why say it in the first place when you know it's not true.
I'm not laughing at you Tegan, why would I? You conduct your hopes and fears as you see fit as do I, nothing to laugh at about that.

And you have no idea why people voted Out, dd. You're just tarring everyone with a different opinion to yours with the same brush.

I think that bit at least was in the public awareness, it's just that all the semi-agreements arrived at depended firstly on our voting to Remain, and secondly on their being agreed by all the other EU countries. Hardly a solid basis on which to convince the sceptical.

No, ana, they're not thick. They chose not to want to know.

@niggly

Cameron actually achieved quite a bit in his negotiations - immigrants wouldn't have been able to claim most state benefits for four years, which would have affected any who though that the UK was the 'land of milk and honey'. I don't know why this wasn't shouted from the rooftops, because it should have been.

I'm not laughing, Tegan. I try to do the same for my own children.