A new Centre party?

And there is a sneaky tendency of Tory politicians to say things like "we're the party of hard working families" when they are really the party of the rich and priveliedged. May, yesterday was making similar noises. I don't believe a word, but as we are aware, lots of people are convinced by soundbites and lies during election/referendum campaigns.

As a matter of interest, what do those wanting the Labour Party to return to left-wing roots want?

One of the problems I have (and I'm sure this is down to poor media reporting) is that I'm not sure what the Labour Party stands for any more.

The Labour Party website is awful. I've just been on it and it doesn't tell me anything about Labour policy for the economy, jobs, schools, health, benefits and pensions, etc. There's loads about diversity (which is good), but that's not what the 'ordinary' person worried about unemployment, education, the NHS, pensions (the everyday stuff of life) wants to know.

Meanwhile, Osborne and the Conservatives are stealing the agenda on a very important initiative, the regeneration of the North. This is going to be even more critical after BREXIT and the loss of EU funding. There's actually quite a lot of discussion going on, but it's rarely reported in the national media. If it's successful, it will be a game changer. Labour and politicians of any party need to start taking the initiative, because people happier with their lives are less likely to vote for right wink parties in protest. JMHO

145,000 signatures now.

Corbyn is one of the most honest politicians in parliament. That's why he's not standing down. He's standing up for the membership who voted for him.

I signed the petition when it first started because I like the idea of a 'truth watchdog'.

From my own point of view, I don't really want a new centrist party because I think we have two right now - the Lib Dems and the Parliamentary Labour Party and that's the problem. The Labour Party Jeremy Corbyn inherited needs to take a step to the left and that's what he's trying to achieve, but is facing internal barriers from his own Parliamentary colleagues. Will the Labour Party split in two? Not half, but two? Could some Labour MPs join with the Lib Dems and fight to stay in the EU? That's a very attractive proposition and could help put the brakes on the rise of the right wing. At this stage it's about the EU and that's a big enough cause for parties like the Lib Dems and Labour to come together. Policies will emerge as we go down the road of deciding what our relationship with the EU will look like. Compromise is the name of the game now.

All I want is the Labour Party to move back to its left wing roots. Trouble is the Parliamentary Party are fighting that tooth and nail because it believes it will make them unelectable. I understand this, but I believe it should be working hard to demonstrate why left wing politics is not a bad thing.

Labour is still unelectable and until something major happens, we're in the doldrums.

I see that at the Corbyn press conference today the signboards said "Standing up, not standing by". No mention of standing down, alas.

143,000 now.

So therefore you do not bother trying to get honest politics? Just accept the status quo, which is people lying to us all the time?
Fortunately over 141,000 people, including some politicians, do not agree with you.

Not quite the same because what you are often dealing with is opinion. There can be no agreement what the facts of a case are

Is the glass half full or half empty? That is a serious question. What is the factual truthful answer? 'Both' is not an acceptable answer, or is it?

Part of the problem is that the press complaints huge flavoured compromise body is a toothless compromise.

Thanks- and I've signed too btw.

It is massively important for the future of politics, that prospective candidates do not get away with making promises which they have no intention whatsoever to keep.

In less than 48 hours 141,000+ people have signed up to wanting truthful politics and having an Office of Electoral Integrity .

ASA, Advertising Standards Authority.

Well we have a Trades Description Act and something like the Advertising Commission (can't remember exact name)- isn't it time to have the same for politics- eg, if politicians make promises in campaigns, they should be held to them if and when they win. Like '350 mio per day for the NHS' - or 'no more freedom of movement for EU workers', etc.

If a business advertised falsely like this- they would be fined heavily or even find themselves behind bars.

'restore truthful politics'. Is anybody old enough to remember when we had those? Has politics ever been truthful?

And anyway, What is truth? Whose truth are we talking about?

Moseley founded the British Union of Fascists.

The danger with Banks is that he has big money and slick marketing. £11 million was spent on the Leave campaign, even though they were only permitted to spend £700,000. He claims he found a loophole to get round the rules. We'll see!

Ukip had 4 million votes at the last election and undoubtedly forced Cameron's hand on the referendum with (I still believe) disastrous results for the future of the UK.

Banks is more savvy than Farage and could very well make a breakthrough with clever market intelligence and marketing.

Would be nice if Ukip did simk without a trace. However, it's been round for a good few years and appears to be getting stronger despite having lost its reason for being here.

"*Is the truth hurting*" - yes just plain rude. You think that's 'passionate' do you GJ

My son's partner has told me that everyone she works with has been most apologetic to her, and assuring her they voted to stay.

While any party set up by Aaron Banks will have to be watched, the history of right wing parties in this country does not suggest it has much chance.

We could start with Oswald Moseley and his blackshirts, no idea what he called his party, then there was the Referendum Party set up by Sir James Goldsmith (father of Zac), OK we have now had a referendum and voted leave, but this party had right wing policies other than just the referendum and it didn't last long.

At the election before or after the Referendom Party there was another right wing party with a rich backer but that foundered as well.

Currently we have UKIP, but it only won one seat in last years election and is rapidly losing all its MEP's, not that that matters now.

All of them have a feverish couple of years and then sink without trace.

Extreme right wing parties come and go with the speed of England football managers.

Rude? Where?

Passionate, yes- and I really can't blame her for that. Desperate times indeed.

Is the truth hurting?

dd, why are you so rude? Just asking!

Yes, I know. The referendum opened a Pandora's Box which has always contained racism/xenophobia. Historicaly, the trades unions have objected to immigration, such as when the London Tube job-hunted West Indian drivers. That's why Ukip is targetting Labour voters. They know that it's easy to sell the story about 'immigrants stealing our jobs' to the people most affected.

www.change.org/p/restore-truthful-politics-create-an-independent-office-to-monitor-political-campaigns?source_location=movement

Daphne, it was the constant blaming immigrants and refugees for all the ills that caused many times believed it, thus turn to UKIP. Fear