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As the hysterical left weep into their lattes...

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thatbags Mon 27-Jun-16 06:45:30

Well said, Libby Purves and Peter Tatchell! Tatchell is quoted as saying "The left must listen to Brexit supporters and their concerns. Very wrong to dismiss them all as racists and xenophobes". Of those anguished 'hysterical lefties': "many of them mean well [ouch!] yet elitism erupted like a poisoned boil". Superb!

Elitism. The other thing the hysterical left whine about when they're not too busy calling anyone who doesn't agree with them a bigot. Yes. Quite. In spite of my high level of education, and my husband's, we both "get it" in a way that many with similar backgrounds don't seem to. Perhaps we still feel a connect to those of our families who were at the runt end of society only two generations ago. Perhaps we understand better the effect of "arrogant, incompetent Brussels institutions, and the decades when governments neglected inequality".

Purves does not skim over actual racism at all, but she says quite rightly that the vast majority of people are not racists or xenophobes. She's right.

Thank you, Libby Purves.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 27-Jun-16 12:21:32

Sorry Skullduggery. Realised that after I posted.

Lazigirl Mon 27-Jun-16 12:11:41

It's so easy to stereotype those who don't agree with you. I could certainly be described as "poorish and old". I am not particularly well educated and am actually more sad than frightened. I voted Remain and I have not been overcome by hysteria or weeping into my latte, but am sad that we will go through a prolonged period of economic uncertainty when the poor will be the ones who will bear the brunt. This will exacerbate feelings of exclusion, not encourage unity. I am sad that the Labour Party is in a state of turmoil at this crucial time when they could be promoting the need to safeguard jobs and workers rights. I am sad that my son, who is a clerical worker in a London bank (not well paid) is likely to lose his job as he works in foreign exchange, as he did when Lehmans failed and we will have to help pay his mortgage, even though past retirement we are still paying our own.

GillT57 Mon 27-Jun-16 12:09:02

platitudes dont pay the bills Morghew70 for those losing their jobs. I hope that I will eventually get a rational grip but at the moment I am getting angrier and angrier as the news unfolds. Ironically the two most boastful brexiters in my acquaintance both have non eu, non commonwealth member of their own close families, people with no chance of getting into the Uk on this much vaunted Australian point's system.

Tegan Mon 27-Jun-16 12:06:35

Ginny42: I'm so sorry to hear that. Virtual hug for you.But,as I was told it is selfish of people worrying about their job when we are on the cusp of a great new era.

Morghew70 Mon 27-Jun-16 12:02:16

Whatever happened to that great British quality - tolerance. We have all got to move forward together and all this fighting amongst ourselves will make it much harder. Rather like being a parent most of us did our best to do the right thing - it wasn't as simple as age, class, race, many, many people didn't decide until they went to the polling station. Maybe we have got it wrong, but we have to make the best of it. Nothing is going to happen tomorrow their is a lot to untangle so maybe everyone can calm down over the next few months and try and share a latte with someone who voted the opposite way.

Ginny42 Mon 27-Jun-16 12:00:59

Update on my previous post re: losing my job. Wellwishers (thanks for the PMs and other messages btw) may like to know that in the last hour I've been informed that the work will transfer to Ireland and Scotland should they leave the UK.

Marieeliz Mon 27-Jun-16 12:00:54

Yes, went out to lunch Friday with two former colleagues who were calling those who voted out "Politically illiterate", I said "that's me then". How dare these people dismiss other peoples opinions just because it is not the same as theirs. I find this with a lot of left wing people though, I am neither right nor left. I am made to feel like some kind of Nazi.

GillT57 Mon 27-Jun-16 11:57:16

well, I am frightened for the future of the Uk and angry that many people have voted based on information that is fast being shown as fiction and lies. I get really annoyed by the 'we did it after the war, lets all pull together' crap. Do you really think this is what we want? Is this what you want for your children and grandchildren? Do you really honestly think that the multinational banks and investment houses will stay and help plucky little Britain?. I despair at the ageist comments from the young voters though, this is just as bad as the racism which the nasty side of society seems to think is approved policy now that the country has voted leave. I am not a luvvie, deeply resent the sneering tone in which that was said, I am a small business owner, and I have had to explain to my lovely Eastern European employee that we dont all feel the same as the people who have posted go home notices through her door.

Swanny Mon 27-Jun-16 11:55:31

MammaN "The biggest problem at the moment is the continual backlash and argument." Oh so true, with the same hysteria and ignorant (meaning: lack of knowledge) assumptions touted as filled the newspapers when this country joined the common market, only from opposite sides now.

This referendum was for the people of this country to make their decision with regard to the EU, irrespective of their individual political views or party politics. We don't know what will happen until the discussions have taken place - which could take years to complete. In the meantime all channels of the media are doing very nicely thank you, earning a nice little profit on the back of sensationalism, rhetoric and fear.

Skullduggery Mon 27-Jun-16 11:37:03

Jinglebells
Did you read all of my post? I'm not panicking at all.
I'm living somewhere that will ultimately benefit from Brexit.

It's the friends and family left behind in the UK, I feel sorry for.

You're OUT. Objective achieved.
There is no plan going forward.

Cut off your nose to spite your face is an apt phrase in the circumstances. grin

Anniebach Mon 27-Jun-16 11:35:01

There are reports of an increase of vile racist sbuse since last Thursdsy, Johnson & Co have given these people the belief they are now free to be openly racist . I am really distressed by the fact the referendum has broken up the country .

Anniebach Mon 27-Jun-16 11:28:31

obieone, I never think of people as 'sorts of people' I speak to people with different political views. To Christians, Muslims, buddists,atheists. Pagens. To builders. Priests. Farmers. To people with mental health problems. To unemployed, to people who need food banks. To friends of the royals. This week I have a visit from a traveller who calls several times a year on her way through to England - always keep a can of lager in the fridge for her , she is lovely and so wise. I am chairman of the local Labour Party . I belong to a group who support several orphanages in Romania our Gurkha community and others . They are not sorts of people, they are people who live different life styles , OK?

leeds22 Mon 27-Jun-16 11:26:28

I am not an hysterical leftie but a middle of the road conservative voter and I am weeping into my cappuccino. What have the Brexiteers done to this country.

Sheilasue Mon 27-Jun-16 11:24:09

Sorry to hear that trisher your Son and many like him will be very worried I am sure.thats why I voted in for the young people of this country I know how much they want to stay in and it's their future we have to think off. My daughter is not sure how things will go now with her job and my grandaughter will be going into year 11 after summer holidays to do her gcsce's what will her future hold. Don't think that the people who voted out realise what they have done.

Elegran Mon 27-Jun-16 11:21:43

So we (including you) get on with the job of pulling society together again, making sure those affected are supported, that the economy too is supported in whatever way it can be, whatever way we believe will be effective. Being fearful shouldn't stop anyone doing that - and persuading others into being fearful by our example feeds panic and paralysis.

Legs55 Mon 27-Jun-16 11:20:13

I heard this morning that everybody who voted leave live in areas where there are no immigrants!!!! - so how does that explain Midlands, North East & where I now live in Devon although very rural there are problems in major towns & cities with migration. I am not racist, well educated & have had many friends of different ethnic backgrounds.

I was also shocked to hear that many under 25s do not think the older generation should have been allowed to vote on their future - I am only 60 & do not envisage "falling off my perch" anytime soon (my Mum is 87) so it is my future as well.

I hope eveyone pulls together Banks, Financial Markets, the Business Community & the general Public for a brighter future

durhamjen Mon 27-Jun-16 11:19:48

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durhamjen Mon 27-Jun-16 11:18:11

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Just for balance.

MammaN Mon 27-Jun-16 11:15:10

Knuckle down:
1. Apply oneself seriously to some task or goal

daphnedill Mon 27-Jun-16 11:09:33

I DO hate the way society has been drifting and the lack of concern and/or blinkered approach to people who have been suffering from cuts and an endemic 'I'm alright Jack' attitude.

Joelsnan Mon 27-Jun-16 11:08:40

Should say faith ...doh!

daphnedill Mon 27-Jun-16 11:08:12

Why is it ridiculous? It happens to be factual.

Joelsnan Mon 27-Jun-16 11:08:06

Durhamjen 100% are fearful, but some are prepared to take a lep of father rather than wallow in a deteriorating state. One gives a potential for improvement, one does not.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 27-Jun-16 11:08:03

47 not 57 sorry

daphnedill Mon 27-Jun-16 11:07:29

@Mamma

What exactly do you mean by 'knuckling down'? It sounds like the kind of thing a Girl Guide leader would say when there's a downpour while on a hike.