As the hysterical left weep into their lattes...

Blimeydd Piketty is heavy going for someone who isn't into economics. Good but a resume would be useful. I've had it for a good maybe year or so and still haven't finished it

I think there are some resumes on the web somewhere. I have heavier than that on my bookshelves - DD keeps promising to collect them...

Apparently 12% of people have had family disagreements since Brexit, granjura.
I was surprised it was so low.

Yes, I was surprised at this low 12% cited.

We also will not visit relatives in the USA who have been so anti Obama, in the most virulent or racist of ways, and actually pro Trump. We used to get on so well and have so much fun and were truly shocked when this all came out. We can agree to disagree on so many things- but friendship and kinship cannot really survive some extreme comments and attitudes. Sad- tragic.

Thankfully my close family are all united on this. I haven't contacted a cousin on Birmingham as I'm pretty sure I know what she voted and why and I don't want to know. I've unfriended two of my oldest friends since brexit and a friend of mine is avoiding her father [temporarily].

A quibble Granjura . Why should you put a kitchen on hold if you live in Switzerland. Unless you were having it imported from the uk. And I hope the comment about paying more tax was not made to me as I render unto Caesar what is due scrupulously.
I hope you weren't making that remark about me flaunting my wealth daphne . I would think that rude. Hedge fund managers were not keen on Brexit to my knowledge but I would be happy to be corrected.

Because she no longer has enough money to pay for it because of exchange rates?

Thank you dj- spot on. I explained the situation on the Brexit thread. Expats in Switzerland are having a ball- as their (hugely already large and inflated salaries) have gone up about 50+ % compared to the £ in the last few years. But for those on UK pensions in Stirling- it is a disaster. As explained on the Brexit thread- so won-t repeat. A combination of the Swiss Franc going up as fast as Sterling falls.
Which means the new kitchen- would now cost about 50% more than initially budgeted for a few years ago. We did other more important jobs in the meantime, electrics, roof, and a fab new bathroom for guests. Kitchen will not happen or certainly have to wait. That's OK- disappointed but no problem at all.

Thinking about it - importing a new kitchen from the UK might be a good idea in the next year- as the economy falters and prices crash. But if and when we do, we will probably import from nearby France with the fitters.

There you are then - every cloud etc...

I can't believe what I'm reading here! Just one post after another about delayed holidays, new kitchens sadly put on hold, and other material things so vital to life! and they say young people are self centered! Unbelievable! We've never had a new kitchen, ditto new car, never holidayed further a field than middle France, then only to stay with SIL. This is owing to lack of funds plain and simple, but then I don't consider any of these as my right, or feel resentful that I can't have them for whatever reason. Just be grateful that you live in a safe country with enough to eat and a roof over your head which is something that a lot of people can only dream of!

Well said nigglynellie. One person on here referred to my 'wealth' Perhaps I am where I am because I've never lost sight of my upbringing and what I had to do to get where I am now.

Not Sure of your point nellie none of what you said -which I am sure many can agree with - negates the fear that if you were living in the EU and dependent on your UK pension means that it is worth 10% less and even rather less at the end of today after the market tries to digest the latest fall in economic activity in the UK.

Good for you petra perhaps that is why you are where you are. But talking about it is a tad poor taste don't you think?

I think the point was that upthread a couple of posters were saying that they didn't know what the fuss was about as they were better off because of their investments and othere were trying to explain that some of us are already negatively affected.
We have contingency for exchange rate fluctuations built into our financial model and re-running it to include the lower exchange rate shows us that we will be fine, but will have to cut back in some areas, including our winter holiday.
Only a winter holiday, I hear you say, but unfortunately also the only time that we get to see our son and grandchildren in Spain.
I am not complaining or asking (heaven forbid) for sympathy, but it is a little hard when some people are so dismissive and even appear to be gloating, even if that was not their intention.
We chose to live in France and do not regret it, our son chose to live in Spain with our Spanish daughter-in-law. They do not regret it either.
We made our choices, we planned carefully, but we did not expect Brexit and are finding it hard to come to terms with.

My point is that a lot of people have much more to worry about brexit or no brexit, than a new kitchen or a holiday having to be put on hold. I can see that loss of pension can be a worry on a day to day basis, but as my SIL said, it's something that she and her DH risked when opting to live abroad! I just find it extraordinary to only be concerned about things that to some would be luxuries beyond their dreams on a good day!!!

Petra perhaps you should remember pride comes before a fall. Or maybe occasionally think that there but for the grace of God go I. Or to be put it more bluntly, your posts get right up my nose.

I do not for one moment think that granjura is only concerned about her kitchen, niggly, and it is not very nice of you to suggest that she is.

That was to wilma

I don't regard seeing my grandchildren in Spain as a luxury "nigglynellie".

But what proof can anyone give me that the people that do 'have more to worry about that brexit' are actually, at this moment in time, better, off because of the result? Concrete examples only please. And please don't tell me that they'll 'possibly' be better off in 10/20 years time because, if their problems are so great, it's now and the near future that matters.

Quite to some of these posts. People who choose to live abroad are often of the wealthy variety. The UK pension is very often the least of their revenue streams, whether it is high, medium or low.

Also, when they make that choice, they are very aware of changes and possible changes in currency variations.

I think it's been pointed out several times that they all made contingency plans for such events. But no one expected this to happen. Even the leave campaigners didn't expect it to happen [no plans, no speeches]. the people I feel most sorry for are the ones living in Gibraltar and the 'forgotten migrants' the ones living and working in Southern Ireland. But hey, never mind, the way things are going Ireland will soon be one united country again.

When I said that I was voting remain because I feared for my childrens jobs I was told [on here] that I was being 'selfish'. I can't help but feel that, those who voted leave and are now uncaring of people who are suffering financially because of brexit are being 'selfish' .