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thatbags Mon 27-Jun-16 06:45:30

Well said, Libby Purves and Peter Tatchell! Tatchell is quoted as saying "The left must listen to Brexit supporters and their concerns. Very wrong to dismiss them all as racists and xenophobes". Of those anguished 'hysterical lefties': "many of them mean well [ouch!] yet elitism erupted like a poisoned boil". Superb!

Elitism. The other thing the hysterical left whine about when they're not too busy calling anyone who doesn't agree with them a bigot. Yes. Quite. In spite of my high level of education, and my husband's, we both "get it" in a way that many with similar backgrounds don't seem to. Perhaps we still feel a connect to those of our families who were at the runt end of society only two generations ago. Perhaps we understand better the effect of "arrogant, incompetent Brussels institutions, and the decades when governments neglected inequality".

Purves does not skim over actual racism at all, but she says quite rightly that the vast majority of people are not racists or xenophobes. She's right.

Thank you, Libby Purves.

whitewave Sun 24-Jul-16 08:39:44

anya unless you are willing to provide e vidence for your personal remark, I would prefer that you withdrew it.

whitewave Sun 24-Jul-16 08:31:13

Be grateful for a reply anya

whitewave Sun 24-Jul-16 08:19:41

I have

Anya Sun 24-Jul-16 08:18:48

Why don't you read through some of your recents posts yourself and see if you can understand where I'm coming from first.

whitewave Sun 24-Jul-16 08:16:31

Could you expand on that anya?

Anya Sun 24-Jul-16 08:06:12

I don't know what your motives are WW but some of your recent posts are wildly off the mark and cringeworthy.

obieone Sun 24-Jul-16 07:47:55

whitewave - I have seen you argue at a personal level. Well, not argue exactly, but make cutting remarks.

whitewave Sat 23-Jul-16 21:36:41

Cor blimey o'Riley!!!!!
I don't care what you voted or what academic qualifications you've obtained
It has nothing to do with anything!!!!

Jalima Sat 23-Jul-16 21:31:23

It's OK, I voted remain, but am less academically qualified than my Brexit friends (Phds, Masters) who are quite scornful of my reasoning.

whitewave Sat 23-Jul-16 21:29:11

wash. It wasn't meant personally. The pair of you picked me up and critiqued what I said. I replied, giving as clear an explanation as I could. Nothing I said was directed at a personal level - I never argue on here at a personal level as I don't know to whom I'm talking and would not want to hurt.

Washerwoman Sat 23-Jul-16 21:27:13

Oops categorize even.

whitewave Sat 23-Jul-16 21:23:56

No blank spaces on my posts from your good self.

Washerwoman Sat 23-Jul-16 21:23:56

OK Whitewave. I guess that was directed at me as I used the word stereotype. I stand corrected.Sorry but I'm not educated to degree level.Just 3 A levels and I'd like to think a big dollop of common sense.
DH has a degree in Business with economics.Leave voter.DD in Education.Remain.DD in Sociology.Remain.Other DD 2 degrees including International Relations and she's a Leave voter.Does that help to categorise us all ?

Jalima Sat 23-Jul-16 21:21:53

which is what I was doing yesterday grin literally, not metaphorically.
Treacle would be better whitewave, at least you could lick some of it.

No, not really; I doubt very much that my friends and neighbours would vote for Trump.
Heaven forbid, what a thought!

What happened to my previous post, why is there a lot of blank space?

whitewave Sat 23-Jul-16 21:16:27

Blimey all this because I commented on the voting profile of Trumps supporters and likened them to the Brexit supporters.
Feels like walking through mud.

Jalima Sat 23-Jul-16 21:12:23

You are using the word stereotype incorrectly. The word should be categorize. It has nothing to do with pejorative connotations
Noted and understood

Jalima Sat 23-Jul-16 21:11:12

No, I don't reject it whitewave and I accept your amended statement, and it may be that that ^the less well off whose life chances are more Iimited and for whom the global capitalist system is not working to their advantage should
reject what they see as being the result of this elitist system.^ Combined with the type of people I know who are educated to PhD level, have worked as top executives in industry, the media, have really thought about the consequences of their decision, it is no wonder that Brexit was carried by the majority.

But - I have not travelled up and down the country conducting a poll, I only have experience of people I know in my area, which in fact did vote to Remain.

whitewave Sat 23-Jul-16 21:06:13

You are using the word stereotype incorrectly. The word should be categorize. It has nothing to do with pejorative connotations. It is essential to have this information to work out people's motives in voting.

Jalima Sat 23-Jul-16 21:01:17

Washerwoman
DH and I are probably both pragmatists, go with what has been dealt and try to make the best of it.
His DM had a very hard time during and after the war, bringing up her boys.
My family never had much but DM always had aspirations grin and DF was staunch Labour so fairly lively discussions went on in our house!

It is just that our friends who voted to leave are the ones with PhDs, have held top positions in industry, in the media and working for charity. We are more lowly (although with good qualifications) and I voted Remain.
It is not a good idea to stereotype people by how they vote.

As I have posted before, I find Trump truly scary. But then I found George W scary too, and look what happened when he became President.

whitewave Sat 23-Jul-16 21:00:19

No jalima I didn't suggest your comments were subjective. I simply rejected the notion that mine were.

Of course not 100% came under that category, and I can't understand why you have such difficulty in accepting that the less well off whose life chances are more Iimited and for whom the global capitalist system is not working to their advantage should
reject what they see as being the result of this elitist system. That is exactly what is happening in the States. If those in power don't recognise this then we are in for a very rocky road indeed.

Washerwoman Sat 23-Jul-16 20:44:29

Once again Jamila thank you.We voted differently but you couldn't have summed up my response to Whitewave more eloquently.
Absolutely in no way do I endorse Trump or want to see him elected but the sweeping statement by about 'our Brexit ' voters has me posting again because it shows the deep seated stereotyping of those who voted Leave by some - and by no means all Remain voters.On so many levels our household would be classed as middle class I guess.DH and I voted leave.2 DCs voted remain. One leave.Amongst our friends the votes have pretty much reflected the national trend.Some Leave some Remain.So please stop generalising.
Quick word Jamila. Saw your post on another thread about how you have rolled with the punches over the years with redundancies ,recessions and tougher times and can identify with that.You sound very pragmatic .
I count my blessings that after yet another killing spree in Munich my family are safe and well tonight,and living in a democratic society where we can agree to disagree hopefully with respect for each other.

Jalima Sat 23-Jul-16 20:33:45

OK whitewave I could put majority in front if you wish, although I have no exact statistics in front of me.

Perhaps the only Brexiters I know are educated and all very thoughtful; however I didn't trek through the country to ask everyone's opinions so my experience may be subjective.

whitewave Sat 23-Jul-16 20:27:13

It is a matter of fact and certainly not a subjective snobbery as you suggest. May recognises this fact which is why her rhetoric has clearly suggested such.

whitewave Sat 23-Jul-16 20:22:26

OK put "majority" in front of Brexiters. But how ever much you reject the notion of the Brexiter profile, you are wrong in suggesting that the majority were well educated with a reasonable stake in society.

Jalima Sat 23-Jul-16 20:19:40

Not phrased correctly, I should have 'some Brexit voters' not the Brexit voters

I am sure that not all Remain voters are highly educated and of the professional classes.

This smacks of intellectual snobbery to me.