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As the hysterical left weep into their lattes...

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thatbags Mon 27-Jun-16 06:45:30

Well said, Libby Purves and Peter Tatchell! Tatchell is quoted as saying "The left must listen to Brexit supporters and their concerns. Very wrong to dismiss them all as racists and xenophobes". Of those anguished 'hysterical lefties': "many of them mean well [ouch!] yet elitism erupted like a poisoned boil". Superb!

Elitism. The other thing the hysterical left whine about when they're not too busy calling anyone who doesn't agree with them a bigot. Yes. Quite. In spite of my high level of education, and my husband's, we both "get it" in a way that many with similar backgrounds don't seem to. Perhaps we still feel a connect to those of our families who were at the runt end of society only two generations ago. Perhaps we understand better the effect of "arrogant, incompetent Brussels institutions, and the decades when governments neglected inequality".

Purves does not skim over actual racism at all, but she says quite rightly that the vast majority of people are not racists or xenophobes. She's right.

Thank you, Libby Purves.

Alea Wed 29-Jun-16 15:26:54

Just nonsensical accusations from someone who has run out of insults hmm

whitewave Wed 29-Jun-16 12:08:27

Witches!!!!!! Why are we talking about such utter rubbish.

trisher Wed 29-Jun-16 12:01:44

I'm of the Mornington Crescent theory- nothing else can explain how we got from Lattes to Witchcraft in 14 pages. As someone who has actually played in a witch in an historical re-enactment can I say that they were frequently women who society wanted to punish or get rid of- so if your ma-in law had moved in or was sitting in a house you wanted it was a good way to get rid of her.

GandTea Wed 29-Jun-16 11:58:41

There aren't many men anyway, and this one is too p.... off to comment.

Stansgran Tue 28-Jun-16 15:13:32

As usual I'm totally lost. Awful wave of sadness that even sensible older women can't have a conversation without this scrappiness. Is it because you can't look each other in the eye? I'm saying women because the men are keeping their heads down.

Alea Tue 28-Jun-16 13:59:44

Sorry, time lapse posting, that was in reference to "Mornington Crescent"!!

granjura Tue 28-Jun-16 13:59:35

Sorry obione- but I really can't read all the way back- but I can't see anyone using the word witch to address another member on this thread. So please can you re-post the 2 posts you say used the word.

And yes, I couldn't help it- so I did Google 'witches' and the Bible- and found that an estimated half a million witches were tortured, drowned and burnt alive by Christians because of what the (loving) Bible said about them. That is truly shocking, and for anyone who is a Christian and believes in the word of the Bible- I'd say it is a pretty damming insult indeed. Not for me, as I am not a Bible believer- but certainly in your mind, heart and mouth obione.

Shocking really, and totally unacceptable on an open Forum.
Signing out now, I've got some calming herbs to tend and pick, potions to make.

Alea Tue 28-Jun-16 13:58:40

Rapturous applause !!!

Beammeupscottie Tue 28-Jun-16 13:58:20

I think is is possible to ill-wish. I think the English Football team were so bad last night because of all the palpable ill-feeling being directed at them. I

Lazigirl Tue 28-Jun-16 13:54:51

How did this thread get from Libby Purves and lattes to witches? Is it a secret game for a few select Gransnetters, like Mornington Crescent which used to be on Radio 4 and which I never understood?

jinglbellsfrocks Tue 28-Jun-16 13:41:10

Shut up jenty!

jinglbellsfrocks Tue 28-Jun-16 13:40:41

I kiddd my GS for years hat I was a witch. He really believed me!

jinglbellsfrocks Tue 28-Jun-16 13:38:59

I wish I could find the interesting norty posts on this thread. [confusd]

I guess they are hidden in amongst all the surplus words.

jinglbellsfrocks Tue 28-Jun-16 13:37:06

(quake)

jinglbellsfrocks Tue 28-Jun-16 13:35:05

Yes. I get polite emails from them. They usually get snotty ones back.

#imnotscared

obieone Tue 28-Jun-16 13:15:51

Everyone can read granjura. The word witch was said by at least 2 people before me, one of which was yourself!

And since you said that witches can be good or bad,as people can also see, and I knew from that that you would not consider the word an insult, which I was correct, I commented in a nice way that you are one. All of which was seen.

granjura Tue 28-Jun-16 12:46:30

I won't google 'witches and the Bible, right now thanks.

For me, it is not an insult, at all- being a withc.

But I am sure, and reading the above would probably confirm- that in obione's mind it surely was an insult. And as such, yes, she did use the word witch first, and with negative and deorgatory intent. So throwing hands up in the air, shouting 'I am innocent' jut doesn't cut the mustard- although I would personally not have complained to HQ- probably no-one did, but HQ saw this for what it was, a clear derogatory insult.

Signing off now- as this forum has just become so vitriolic and so unpleasant in such a underhand way- just do not wish to be part of this at all.

Brexit is enough to cope with on its own.

Alea Tue 28-Jun-16 12:01:50

Asking and telling can be two different things, the message was clear enough.

Elegran Tue 28-Jun-16 11:53:01

There is always a lot of confusion in people's minds between generalities and personal insults. stepping back and reading with an open mind is difficult when everyone is feeling raw, but is more necessary than ever when everything is in such a mess.

thatbags Tue 28-Jun-16 11:18:49

Because I've seen comments on this thread about personal remarks or insults by Libby Purves in the article I posted a link to, I went back to it this morning and read it again. I couldn't find a single personal remark. She quoted what some individuals said or did, e.g. about Alexa Chung, among others, tweeting a broken heart emoji, and it seemed clear that she thought that kind of melodrama OTT, but she did not direct any of her very general remarks at individuals.

Just thought this point had better be out there.

obieone Tue 28-Jun-16 11:15:33

The message form GNHQ was very polite. I told them I understand.

obieone Tue 28-Jun-16 11:05:32

GNHQ - I cant see anything wrong via your forum guidelines, about asking people if they are witches.

As you can see, I didnt bring the subject up, and people seem to think there is nothing wrong in being a witch.

I will take a look at my gransnet inbox to see what you may have emailed me.

obieone Tue 28-Jun-16 11:02:31

Google "witches and Bible" Alea, and you will see they very much feature.

Beammeupscottie Tue 28-Jun-16 10:56:53

Give me Harry Potter over the Bible any day.

Alea Tue 28-Jun-16 10:35:27

We recently bought a jar of ivy honey for the first time. Very nice too.

What is with these accusations of being a witch obieone??
I am sure they don't feature in the Bible.