As the hysterical left weep into their lattes...

I saw a great cartoon yesterday on FB- God and St Peter up there in the clouds looking down at the earth, and God says to the St Peter 'I never thought I'd see the day when I prefer those who don't believe in me'

Jingl- like everything, you need to learn what's what - I am a wild mushroom expert too- been learning ever since I was a small child. What herb can be used for what, and combination.

Learning something new every day. Reminds me, must try ground ivy as a veg- apparently it's delicious- and due to my knee op, I wasn't able to weed in time. It's actually quite pretty among the perennials.

A witch though, no ;)

Geldof flipped his fingers at the fishermen's boat. Not the brightest thing to do. But then........

His heart's in the right place.

I have a garden full of herbs, but I'm terrified of poisoning someone.

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Not all leavers are racists but all racists are leavers. This has been said so many times.

There are good witches and very bad ones.

Good witches work for good- bad for ... bad. Now if there is one bad witch here... than it could be the one constantly stirring trouble and nastiness.

DJ, I have a field and garden full of herbs and make lots of wonderful potions too.

Jalima, we were saying that about the fishermen throughout the campaign, but no one listened to us. The news coverage was totally one sided and didn't explain what Geldof was protesting about.

This is what luvvies did for fish

www.fishfight.net/

Snap, ab. Crossed post.

@Jalima

You're welcome.

I'm not a huge fan of Geldof, but I understand from what he said that he was targeting Farage. Rachel Johnson (Boris' sister, who was with him on the boat) agreed.

My feeling is that Farage exploited the fishermen. The truth is that Farage himself was on the EU Fisheries Commission and did zilch. UK fishermen actually had a reasonably good deal from the EU, especially after the discard rule was abolished (thanks to the TV chef, Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall not Farage).

It was the UK government which awarded quota licenses to the super trawler companies rather than the traditional trawler fleet, which has much smaller boats. Some fishermen themselves sold their own quotas to the big companies.

Geldof was not contemptuous to the fishermen He pointed out the hypocrisy of Farage who did nothing to help the fishermen

daphne thank you, you have explained your thought processes very clearly now!

Yes, although I am not extreme left and the campaign of the 'luvvies' annoyed me intensely (who can forget Geldof's contemptuous gestures towards the fishermen?) I am extremely anxious about the future but hope and pray some progress can emerge from the shambles.

I don't trust the politicians to lead us through this and hope we have enough trusted financial and legal brains to advise them

Whitewave I agree completely. The Today program speaking interviewees and others have just pointed out that it is going to take years to sort out this mess.

This is going to be a difficult issue for both left or right leaning voters. It will be horribly expensive to the government and to us all, as the pound has collapsed and prices of everything will rise.

The B*****y government has not thought at all about how to sort this out and has no contingency plans.
At least we had Mark Carney the Candadian governer of the bank of England who did expect this and had planned.

What really worries me is the complacency of the Brexit group who have just not given a thought to these expensive consequences and have blethered on about trivialities and getting their Blue passports back. Think about your pensions and savings you will have a lot less to spend.

This is going to be one very expensive mess that will effect our economy for the worse for years.
Whether you were a Brexiter or a Remainer.

I too am a Europhile wirh an interest in langauges (3 of which I did at A-level)- I just think the EU has lost its way and overstepped its brief.

I am sorry that for many the unhappiness about the result goes deep. I guess that was going to happen either way, however the vote went. I too agree that the vote is hardly valid as the margin is so microscopic. And the referendum was set up for all the wrong reasons.

I share the revulsion at the xenophobia that has been unleashed, which is chilling. And I am also sad about the intolerance towards those who voted leave, with the bland and false assumption that everyone who felt the EU was going astray is a racist.

It is a sorry situation. I too feel angry - but towards those who instigated the referendum in the first place. Their cynical vote-catching ploy is sickening.

What a reassuring run of excellent posts! You express my feelings very accurately DD et al. Thank you.

Are you saying you are a witch durhamjen?

whitewave - the elites have lost some power, may be a lot of it.
economic cost - after a while, it will be better

Ginny42, informative and articulate fine, throwing insults because a person is upset, angry, annoyed, scared etc, not fine. Dont speak is the much better thing to do, if you cant manage to do it civilly

whitewave and daphnedill together your posts sum up how I feel as well. Thank you. I'm not sure LP is right, there may be a group of "luvvies" who are being very vocal, but perhaps we should be grateful to them, for providing a public voice to counter the very well publicised right wing machine. As for the working class right wing it has always existed, but hopefully we will as in the past unite to fight it. It is 80years this October since the Battle of Cable Street, I hope we are not heading for the same.

I couldn't have put it better WW. Some people here seem to think this is not debate. The freedom to say just how you feel is the essence of debate. These pages on GN have been some of the most thought provoking and measured of any I've read since last Thursday.

I'm not sure what those who think this has been bitter and acrimonious have been reading elsewhere, but the input here has been informative and articulate as far as I'm concerned and that includes some of the major newspaper and media sites.

Nasty, I'll tell you what is nasty. I bunch of self-seeking Politicians trying to hold England back so they can have more control.

I keep banging on about it but the only mandate that any government has as the result of this farce was that the result was to leave the union, by a small margin. Knowing what we do know it is likely that the country is split 50/50.
Democracy demands that this is taken into account. You cannot ignore the wishes of those who voted to remain.
I feel just as dd feels with the additional emotion of fury.
Fury at the lies
Fury at being told I was exaggerating
Fury at the racism and xenophobia this has unleashed
Fury at the chaos
Fury that there is no plan
Fury that the elites will once again be the winners
Fury at the thought of a far right Tory government we may have to endure
Fury at yet more cuts the poor will have to endure
Fury that all this could and should have been avoided.
Fury at the vast economic cost which could have been used for good
Fury at yet again using tax payers money to bail out the bankersy
And on and on

My thoughts exactly suzied. As more and more of the detail emerges I think even the most determined exiters must be wondering just what has been unleashed.

Possibly the intervention by the Poles now saying the EU should have listened to the British and should have offered more to David Cameron, will make the changes needed to satisfy both sides of the argument. If it's not too late already for supporters within the EU to help us out of this fine mess. Then pulling together to put this behind us would be possible.

No, the 48% shouldn't just pull together to "make it work". Backing another entitled old Etonian to lead us into goodness knows where, (he doesn't know, which is the scary thing.) We must still voice our opposition to insularity, inequality, selfishness and racism, and those that want their country back to the 1930s can get on with it.

Good post DD, which very much reflects how we feel. It is quite hard for us because we have no one to discuss it with here, though I was surprised last night at my keep fit class about how much detail my French friends knew - they were all talking about the petition, the people who said on TV that they voted as a protest and didn't want it to happen, the political fall-out etc. Lots of sympathy and support too, which was nice.
I get angry when I read posts on here saying that everyone must pull together and make this work. That is down to the young people out there working in professions, business, industry, commerce etc. Did they want this?
In the spirit of pulling together will people happily accept cuts to pensions and increased cost of food and fuel? We shall see.

Your post goes a good way to describe the feelings in this house at the moment, Dd. We are shutting the door on a lot that was good about the EU and it is a final, locking of the door behind us.