Crikey. They really hate Farage now.

Dignity, respect and high principles do not fit well with Farage

Any "fact" will do for NF's propaganda machine apparently. (click for bigger picture)

Well here is what they though of Farage quite some time ago

www.facebook.com/peteacousticshaw/videos/10204913220902538/

Jess I was interested in what Annan said about English and Welsh not being able to vote and also why London votes were excluded in those figures - all very odd.

We think this is disastrous for Wales - DH is far from political apart from the fact he always votes but he is just as perplexed as me. All that money gone in areas where it is so needed - why would they take the risk of losing it?

I think lots of odd things are going on at the moment - the thought if Boris as PM - time for another woman maybe.

Welshwife I believe the Welsh assembly does have a vote on this - because Carwen remarked on it the other day. However Wales voted to Leave despite the fact the stand to be the biggest loser. Any half sane UK PM will have to try to reach an end point in which we are like Norway, still paying in, still allowing free movement and still in the free trade area - anything else is going to condemn this country to long-term economic ruin. However we won't get the grant funding that has done so much to help Wales. We were lumbered with this referendum 7 weeks after the Assembly elections. Party workers in all parties were tired, some exhausted,politicians had also been working hard with the first minister etc dashing about the country supporting candidates and the politicians were having to set up a new government in Cardiff and start work, with the new problem of 5 UKIP AMs, voted in via our partial PR. This was another tactical error by Cameron - he probably thought Wales would vote Remain cos it was a no-brainer for Wales. However in his headlong rush to get the "negotiations" and referendum done in his first 14 months there was far to much precipitate action and far too little thought. I am trying to tell myself : paid a chodi pais wedi piso if any of you Welsh grans know what that means. But everyone I know here is still feeling gutted.

It's likely that Ukip is about to have its own internal squabbles before too long. Its main donor, Arron Banks, wants more control of the party and is prepared to cause a split. Paul Nuttall opposes him. Banks called Douglas Carswell, Ukip's only MP, "borderline autistic with mental illness wrapped in". Nice people!

All Ukip ever does is criticise the current establishment, like spoilt, whining children, so it will be interesting to see if they can come up with a positive vision without stabbing each other in the back. You never know. The media might find it even more entertaining than the splits in Labour and Conservative and it will be out in the open that Ukip doesn't champion little people - it exploits them.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/arron-banks-ukip-chairman-farage_uk_57028bcce4b0c5bd919b8665

Would just add that I agree with daphne and would like to see some of the smaller parties getting candidates elected. I honestly don't believe the two party system is good for the UK.

Actually dj, I support the Single Transferable Vote (STV) or Alternative Vote (AV). The sooner we get rid of first past the post the better.

I disagree, dj. For a start, if UKIP had some MPs had some MPs, they might stop their constant whinging about being the anti-establishment underdog. Secondly, it would give them a voice and people would be able to hear what charlatans they are. Thirdly, they would be put on the spot and expected to come up with solutions rather than constant negative sneering. Fourthly, they don't have enough people with the calibre to be MPs, although some Conservatives might join them. There's nothing like giving people a position of responsibility and seeing how they would do things better.

PR would also have the advantage of allowing more Greens to be MPs.

A good reason to keep first past the post, Wilma, otherwise we might have Paul Nuttall for MP if it's some form of PR. He's MEP for the North West, but our third one is UKIP.

Another UKIP MEP Paul Nutall said UKIP would now focus on the North East where it did well in the referendum. Presumably he meant UKIP hopes to win seats in future parliamentary and local elections.

I am flabbergasted that people are supporting Nigel Farage, even when the facts about his attendance record as an MEP are given. It's one thing supporting UKIP, but quite another supporting Nigel Farage who spends so much of his time making inflammatory statements. I am by no means a UKIP supporter, but I do think Paul Nutall comes over quite well on QT, etc. I wish Nigel Farage would step out of the limelight and stop showing up his party and by association the UK.

The man is an utter disgrace. Yesterday he was like a bullying schoolboy, getting his kicks out of being as nasty as he can. He accused MEPs of never having had proper jobs. Ha ha! As if being a commodities broker is a proper job!

Apart from the fact that at least half of UK MEPs have had real proper jobs, Farage managed to make a fool of himself and make me ashamed to be British.

One of the Lithuanian MEPs sitting behind him was a cardiac surgeon. This is what he wrote:

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/29/eu-health-commissioner-explains-farage-facepalm-vytenis-andriukaitis

Vytenis Andriukaitis' CV is interesting:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vytenis_Andriukaitis

He's done a damned sight more with his life than Farage ever has.

He can't be. He's not an MP.

Nigel Farage for PM

"NIGEL Farage has the lowest voting attendance record of any active MEP in the European Parliament.

The UKIP leader was in the European Parliament today during a heated session in which he traded barbs with the European Commission president, Jean-Claude Juncker.

But exclusive analysis of the MEP voting records shows that Mr Farage only turned up to 40.7 per cent of all possible roll-call votes between July 2014 and May 2016.

This places him 745th out of 746 MEPs from across the different EU countries on the register.

The 746th is Brian Crowley, a MEP in Ireland who has never voted, according to the register.

A fall from a building left Mr Crowley paralysed from the waist down when he was 16 years old.

Read more at www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/ukip-leader-nigel-farage-worst-8302679#U4pKjRXxgeUsKXy2.99

Synonymous- the facts about his salary cannot be denied- the fact he was elected as an MEP and did nothing, did not attend, did not attend the Commission he was elected to- are facts not conjecture.

As a UKIP MEP Mr Nigel Farage was elected on a platform opposing British membership of the EU. On Thursday, 23rd June 2016 the majority vote in the British EU Referendum was to leave the EU.

With regard to statements made on this forum I have no personal knowledge of Mr Nigel Farage, his thoughts, or of his diary, or of his accounts so cannot respond to accusations made against him except to comment that no proof has been offered as to the veracity of those assertions.

Democracy means that everyone gets their say whether we want to hear it or not. There are still such things as high principles, dignity, respect and self respect and because one does not agree with someone those things should not be disregarded. One of the problems there is with using pen names is that because one's identity is shielded one can behave as one would not in real life. I dare say it is quite possible that someone taking issue with what might be libellous statements made on a forum such as this could obtain personal details and information to issue a writ for libel so perhaps it would be wise to be more circumspect.

I don't think he forgot abour Jo Cox - he just didn't care

www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2016/06/i-want-my-country-back

No, Joelsnan, it was because he completely forgot about Jo Cox.

annan I am most interested that English and Welsh MPs cannot vote against the result for some reason - do you know why they would be different?
The other question your post poses for me is why did the EU man discount the votes of London and say it was a 57% win? By doing that he was excluding a large section of the UK (population wise) who voted to Remain - seems a bit odd - any idea why this was ? - I had not heard about it before.

Although I so hoped that Scotland would vote to remain in the UK when they had their referendum I could now quite understand it if they had another and voted out of the UK to be able to remain in the EU.

Durhamjen That us because you are imposing your perception of what the statement refers and most likely not what the intent was.
I am no fan of Farage, but I do not think there was any malintent just his mouth engaging before his brain as seems quite usual for him.

Farage also said that they had won without a shot being fired.

How on earth can anyone like a man who said that?

Synonymous. Don't agree with you about Farage though - the worst sort of demagogue populist politician.

This honest man of the people act: he's a millionaire ex city trader who has taken loads of money from public office but not done the job we paid him for. He has alienated or sacked many of those who worked closely around him - no rivals in his tent. He thinks the best way to influence people is to insult them, so not exactly the greatest diplomat. He has some very dodgy supporters on the Far Right. His backers are multi millionaire neo cons - some champions of the people they!

And what are his policies if he does take power, loads of contradictions. An economic free trade for all? No regulations? A points system so we can get more workers from all over the world? We should trade with the rest of the world - nothing to stop us doing that Germany has fantastic trade with the rest of the world selling more to china and India than we do.

Not so great for the common man and woman and the planet can fry.

He once claimed his EU salary and expenses were worth £250,000 a year. His wife is also on the Brussels payroll, earning more than £30,000 a year. But Ukip’s leader, Nigel Farage, has now claimed the couple are “poor”.

Mr Farage, who has been an MEP since 1999, initially described his role in the European Parliament as “a good job” after he was first elected. He claimed that if he had been working for Goldman Sachs he would need to earn £250,000 to match what the EU paid him because of taxation, secretarial allowances and “all the other games you could play”.

So with his own fiscal evaluation meaning he must have earned the equivalent of £3.75m over the past 15 years, his claim in a new Channel 4 documentary about the couple’s wealth – that “I don’t know anybody in politics as poor as we are” – is rather surprising.

Anyone with an ounce of decency would not have picked up his salary for NOT doing his job. Instead, he was paid a fat salary for running UKIP and campaigning. It's like picking up a salary from the RSPCA to run an illegal slaughter house.