The single market?

Roses, the new PM will not be involved in negotiations.
She will trigger article 50, and that's it. Negotiations will be done by civil servants.
There are no deals to be done. The deals that Cameron did have been negated by Brexit.

Why do Brexiters still insist on this fallacy? They obviously believe the lies they have been told.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/michael-gove-conservative-leader-next-prime-minister-sarah-vine-rupert-murdoch-daily-mail-personal-a7111656.html

The latest Mark Steel, Bluecat.

An analogy is a comparison between two things for the purpose of explanation or illustration. I think mine served that purpose adequately. The master of the form is Mark Steel, as much of his comedy is based on analogies.

It isn't a matter of not wanting to be positive. I wish I could be, but the situation is extremely grave. For instance, the New York Times is saying that, unless the UK finds some way to undo Brexit, London will no longer be the world's financial hub. They predict that within 5 years it will have moved elsewhere, possibly to Barcelona. Though we might feel it is no great loss to see the exodus of overpaid city boys, the reality is obviously negative. Apart from the money brought into the UK directly by the industry, there is also the knock-on effect - all the cash that would be spent by those people who will soon be spending it in Spain or somewhere similar.

some people really do not want any positive spin on this subject, that's the problem.The new PM, who is unlikely to be Gove, and won't be Boris [as feared] but probably Theresa May
will have to get on with negotiations, after triggering article 50 in September/October.She will choose her cabinet and get on with it.Deals will be done, once the emotion of last week dies down.It's useless to speculate just at the moment,but revelling in gloom and doom does nobody any favours.

So let's have your positive spin on how this will pan out in the long term DD

The UK is still the ninth biggest exporter in the world. However, we are the fifth biggest importer.

The UK relies on trade deals (especially in financial services) to prop up its economy.

An analogy is a comparison between one thing and another, typically for the purpose of explanation or clarification' - usually comparing things that are not things that might be

Analogy away. It's all make believe and 'what ifs'

One figure that I heard (unverified) is that 6% of our production is exported. If true, that means 94% is consumed in Britain. Is too much emphasis being given to trade deals?

It's a shame Brexiters couldn't see that, Bluecat.

Of course the Big 5 don't trade together, that was just an analogy. I could equally have compared it to kids in the playground. You might feel morally superior if you don't join the gang but it's lonely and difficult on your own!

Btw, anyone who thinks Remainers are willing Brexit to be a catastrophe, just to be proved right, isn't being realistic. This isn't a game. We all live in the same economy and we all suffer when the pound falls, or prices rise, or public spending is cut...I think I can say, on behalf of all in the Remain camp, that we would be delighted to be proved wrong by a booming economy and cast-iron guarantees on the legislation we've come to take for granted, just as maternity/paternity rights. On a personal level, I'm hoping to visit my daughter in the US this year and I would be extremely happy to see the pound rise against the dollar, as the value of our spending money has just been halved!

It seems to me that there is a lot of wishful thinking going on, without much basis in fact. Even if our former trading partners in Europe are able to do business with us unilaterally, will they want to? Why would they want the hassle of dealing with UK red tape when they could much more easily trade with other countries within the same market? And won't they want the protection offered to them by EU legislation, particularly if it is a matter of investing their money? After all, we're not the only country in the world and, if they can trade with other EU countries more easily and with more security, why should they put themselves through the bother?

Something tells me the auction will be pulled before the end. sale of livestock isn't permitted on EBay.

Thanks, daphne. Whatever Cameron did in his negotiations has gone now. It doesn't matter.
In case you haven't realised POGS, it's all different from last Thursday. People voted out because they did not think Cameron's negotiating skills were good enough. Now there is no input from any PM we happen to have.

Daphne. you might appreciate this.

www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tom-Watson-/131863819905?hash=item1eb3b23681:g:H04AAOSwZ1BXdQy~

Re Petra
I cannot credit that anyone still believes anything the Daily Mail tells them!!! is there a more pernicious harbinger of news?

Errr...no...it's not a stupid comment, POGS. The chief negotiator will be a Belgian former diplomat and the negotiations will mainly be carried out by civil servants.

It certainly comes to something when May is less wicked than the rest.

I wouldn't hold your breath brenh34 looks like the favourite is the wicked witch May at the moment, and by all accounts she makes Thatcher look like a pussycat by comparison. I have such an awful feeling of dread about the whole sorry mess.

Stupid comment Durhamjen

So when you have spoken of David Camerons 'negotiations' in the past what on earth were you referring but.

The PM, whoever he or she may be, is still a member of the European Union whether Junker and co wish to accept that or not and they will have to negotiate.

It doesn't matter what negotiating skills the new PM has, s/he does not do any negotiating.

How refreshing, a thread that seems to be mostly positive about leaving the EU.

My Local chain just gone bost. It was sold by Morrisons to Greybull Capital, which has just bought the Tata steelworks at Scunthorpe.
Waiting for that to be asset stripped then closed - or has that been done already?

Exactly

Everyone has their opinions and words of wisdom on what will happen now that we have voted to leave the EU. The fact is that no-one knows what will happen next as no country has every left before. Even the politicians are in a quandry because no-one thought to prepare any sort of plan for this event because they never thought the peasants would revolt and that we all roll over and vote the way they wanted us too.
This is all I'm going to say on this subject because no opinion is valid at the moment, it's all to play for and hopefully we will get a Prime Minister who has the negotiating skills to do the best for our country.
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But the big supermarkets don't trade together so we have the choice or going elsewhere unless you think other trading partners are like corner shops....weird and illogical but quite sweet.

Do you not think the Italian Olive grower is getting just as frustrated by the lack of commercial intelligence the politicians are showing throughout the 28 countries STILL in the EU.?