Brexit watch, round 2

first sentence to ddil , not obieone btw.

Perhaps you should get out more

I must admit that I was at a party recently and, as a Remainer, felt outnumbered, sitting at one end with three other Remainers .

None of the others were hedge fund managers, anarchists, racists or BNP .
All highly educated, reasonable, nice people who could see a life outside the EU.

I think some people are missing the point.
For some, like myself,we wanted OUT.
Sometimes a situation is so bad, [and I dont want to compare it to other bad situations in life], that you take a very small chance that where you end up will be worse.
But in the vast majority of cases, it is better, with the possiblilty of it being a whole load better.

The two people in real life I know who voted to leave are:

1 A hedge fund manager, who thinks there are more opportunities without EU regulation.
2 A wannabe anarchist, who hates any kind of government.

How the heck does anybody reconcile the aspirations of two people like that?

Of all the people I know in real life, I only know two who voted to leave. Even my mother voted to remain and you could have knocked me over with a wet fish when she told me. Whenever the EU is discussed, we just shake our heads and agree that we don't really understand. The saddest thing is that Leavers don't ever seem to come with a rational explanation. As a result, we really do have a divided country and a government which is being diverted from the real challenges ahead and is playing political games.

The Brexiteers on here and those in government haven't a clue what post Brexit Britain will look like. The disparate groups will range from full blown let's leave immediately and sod the consequences to Brexit light, lets dip our toes in and see what sort of reaction we will get. We can already see that in the announcements various people have made.

Ok I'm a chudderer as well. Let's face it the Brexit voters are a disparate group and there are those who want a return to the 1950s with none of those pesky foreigners and those who want the opportunity to do business without the pesky eu regulations etc and those who just wanted to give Cameron et al a bloody nose , so we are not going to get shangri la are we?

Exactly, Chudderer.

No idea, Anya. It wasn't my son. He's starting university in a couple of weeks and was/is hoping to spend a year as an Erasmus student. In any case, we haven't left yet. Nothing was ever going to happen overnight.

Signed

Chudderer x

I remember someone on here saying that if we voted to leave her son would definitely lose his job. Did that happen?

Tegan posted

Can anyone tell me which of the promises given by the brexit camp are actually going to happen?

Well, obviously we can't. That wasn't asking what people who voted Leave were expecting, was it?

I'm not expecting BREXIT to affect me directly, although I think prices will probably rise and I suspect jobs will be lost, as businesses relocate. It will almost certainly affect my children, both of whom had been looking at working/studying in the EU. There is no doubt that it will affect friends who work in scientific research, as do many people in this area.

So life will go on, which I had never doubted.

However, this is a huge constitutional change. Extricating the UK from the EU is going to cost billions, which will indirectly affect everybody. I don't think it's unreasonable to wonder what people who voted Leave were expecting and what they're hoping for now, beyond the meaningless soundbite of 'Taking back control'.

If that's chuddering, I'll carry on being a chudderer.

I can't see that anyone's 'admitted' anything!

What's with all this misinterpretation of others' posts? It must be catching...

So you admit that people who voted brexit hadn't got a clue what they were voting for? How about next election time we have a choice between several political parties and a 'lucky dip, no manifesto party'.

You keep on chuddering if it makes you happy Tegan

Well considering the fact that the government hasn't even decided how or when it's going to go about achieving Brexit, I think it's a bit soon to be expecting the information you're demanding.

Some of you are so certain that everything will be ok that I assume you know something that I don't. Or that those who voted for brexit didn't actually know what they were voting for .

There is still so much uncertainty, my feelings at the moment are things will stay pretty much the same, except we will all be a bit poorer. But who knows? The Brexiters don't seem to have much of a clue either.

I don't know why you think anyone on GN should know, Tegan. We haven't got crystal balls!

I will keep chuddering on until I get answers to my questions.

Blimey...are the losers still chuddering on?

Can anyone tell me which of the promises given by the brexit camp are actually going to happen? It seems to me we've now 'taken back control' but none of us [other than the remaining EU countries, the politicians and the civil servants] have got any control over what's now happening at all .

Good posts Quizqueen though you can bet your boots that some on here won't like it. So much pessimism around ( although being British, this is a 'given')

Don't know if this has been mentioned but, on a radio programme the other day they commented that there was a two year run up to the Scottish referendum and four months up to the EU referendum. Perhaps if the London-based government had taken this as seriously as the Scottish one did you would not have to argue about what was meant by using the £350 million to fund the NHS really meant.