Brexit watch, round 2

I just thought when I saw the tailbacks at Dover that actually, after all this longing to 'control our borders' they were actually being controlled. That's what it will be like just queues and queues at airports and ports.

The Uk which is an island will have the most problems.
On the continent every little side road can't be controlled so we will always find way over to France or Holland or Austria from Germany, after all Family Trapp did it over the mountains and the Hungarians in 1956.
I get the feeling that Mrs May has a plan that will lead to the Brexit vote being vetoed by vote in parliament.
Paddy Ashdowne seemed to think so.

There will be such anger when more and more brexit voters start to be affected by post brexit fallout.

Sounds like the Brexit Wars are only just beginning
Of course they are Devorgilla. I think your words will ring very true in the coming years.

rosesarered Mon 25-Jul-16 14:14:21
No, in many ways the EU is NOT glad to be rid of the UK.
dd commentented that In many ways, the EU is glad to be rid of the UK.
It is possible for both to be true roses.

Sounds like the Brexit Wars are only just beginning.

There was another piece of the article which outlined what in his terms was an abusive relationship it was

" in the past decade the E u has been patient as the UK government has missed no opportunity to undermine, disparage, blackmail ans actively sanatage European politics. Push harder than anyone for enlargement as the UK did, then criticise the EU for being too big and unwieldy. Pull yourself out of the coalition with Merkel's party in the EU parliament to join a motley crew of Europhobe fringe parties, as Cameron did with his Tory party, then claim you are not getting anything done in the EU parliament.
When the Eurozone was hanging by a thread, Osborne thought it's necessary to announce to the world that no country was better prepared for Grexit than UK. Then, when there was a deal, the U.K. Vetoed it. .......... Remember the daily abuse aimed at Europe in British media over the decades. Farage seems to have a compulsion to heap insults on his colleagues in Brussels.
The fact is that much of the British political elite has been using the EU as a football for their own petty ends. Cameron promised a referendum for party purposes, while expecting to trade that promise in coalition talks withe the Lib Dems. - only to see his side win a majority and forcing him into a referendum.
Johnson... Believed that losing the referendum would land him the job of next prime minister so he joined leave only to see his side win.

Agreed obione- how ridiculous is that? The timing of the Referendum clearly shows Cameron and Co never thought, in a million Sundays- that Brexit would get majority vote. Whilst they are sunning themselves- the country is going down the shute, and there is no-one to lead amazingly stupid.

Just realised there are going to be two months of guessing and surmising, whilst the politians themselves are on their summer hols.

Totally agree with rosesarered.

And the politics are not worth reading about much anywhere at the moment.
I am largely keeping out of it.

As you say, we must agree to disagree on this one, and probably a lot of other ones too.

I'm quite capable of being a critical reader.

Oh yes, it is, roses, but we can't play this yes/no game all day.

The UK has concessions granted to no other country, many consider its rebate too generous and the UK has vetoed a number of measures agreed by most other EU countries. The UK's MEPs have the worst attendance record of any country. The UK needs the EU market more than the EU needs the UK.

...and if that is a view from The Guardian daphnedill then I should stop reading it if I were you.

No, in many ways the EU is NOT glad to be rid of the UK .

In what respect is it baloney?

It's a 'Comment is free' from the Guardian, so is bound to be provocative, but it's consistent with articles in other European newspapers. In many ways, the EU is glad to be rid of the UK.

What baloney! his view of course. ( and he is entitled to it)but the financial world doesn't work that way, neither does capitalism.
Yes, the EU may not want to make things easy for us, but in the end, they will be pragmatists ( in spite of all the hot air talked at the moment.)

Some thoughts on Brexit by a European - Joris Luyendijk

In oRder for the EU to remain stable with no other country considering leaving the EU, Brussels must consider giving maximum pain both economically and politically to the UK.l

Financial powers must be repatriated from London, so that it becomes impossible for Asian , American or African multinationals to have their EU headquarters in London.
EU universities and companies must receive generous help to attract the best minds from the UK.

This is in order to prevent another reckless exit based on lies, distortion, half truths, racism, and delusional fantasy, in order for those Europhobe parties to cheat their way to victory.

Not since the Iraq war has British democracy looked less legitimate. There is no hope that British democracy will cleanse itself until the architects of this Brexit disaster are hung out to dry.
Indeed it will be good to measure project pain a decade from now. Will the names of Gove, Johnson, Farage and Leadsom evoke the same disgust as Blair?

Calling for such draconian measures is not the fault of the EU that the UK has chosen to pit itself against a block 9 times its size.

We must also recognise that millions of British people did everything they could to prevent this catastrophe. So perhaps it isn't Project pain, but Project Tough Love.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/25/dover-delays-brexit-theresa-may-traffic-jams

Theresa May's fault. Who is the new home secretary? Her's as well.

I do not blame them, either, granjura. How long did Brexit say they did not want to be part of the EU?
If I were French or German, etc., I would be feeling pretty upset at the idea that the UK wanted to keep the good bits, but not the rest.

There were six, roses, four for cars, one for coaches, one for freight.
That's how rumours get started.

Agreed, of course. If I or my family and friends were stuck in that queue, I'd be fuming beyond belief!!! I am talking about trade deals with the EU post Brexit- and collaboration of borders, terrorism, etc, etc.

The French and other EU members- who already felt that the UK had had very special treatment already (no Euro, no Schengen, etc) - do believe that Post Brexit the UK cannot expect to have its cake and eat it- as they see it. Or in French 'avoir le beurre et l'argent du beurre' (keep the butter and have the money for selling it). And yes, they are flexing their muscles- as many of us expected them to do so. Not justifying it.

Who is asking the French to bend over backwards? Asking for more than one member of the immigration check staff to be on duty sounds reasonable to me.

Thanks- I'll accept I 'took it wrongly'.

A big difference between 'gloating' and saying 'well, it was pretty obvious re our geographical situation, that that was a definite risk'. The French are not having a very good time of it at the moment- and are not in the mood to bend over backwards to the UK's demands- fact.

All gloating is unpleasant, by it's very nature.

Well, fingers in pies must have come over wrongly then!
It was a remark made by someone to me yesterday by a friend about a mutual friend, not meant unkindly at all as she is the lynchpin of many of our town's activities and the phrase must have stuck in my mind.

I still feel the same about anyone who appears to gloat and dislike of those notices Tegan posted.
I only saw things like that onthe tv which I can turn off.

DD1 was also fully funded when she did her year in France. Doubly so, strangely enough- because she went to a top private business school (as many 'universities' or 'Grandes Ecoles' are in France) - and the French parents- so keen for their children to go to learn English- were prepared to pay for the schooling for the year! We only found this out after she had been there for some months.