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The Stupidity of Charlie Hebdo

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jinglbellsfrocks Sat 03-Sept-16 22:59:31

latest 'cartoon'

obieone Mon 05-Sept-16 12:21:24

So legs sticking out of a lasagne means what?

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 05-Sept-16 12:59:39

Let it go Obes. grin

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 05-Sept-16 13:00:22

I may be completely wrong. Anyone else got a slant on it?

obieone Mon 05-Sept-16 13:32:11

They annoyed people so much that some people got murdered there.

Ana Mon 05-Sept-16 13:33:23

Where? confused

thatbags Mon 05-Sept-16 13:36:25

I think yours is a brilliant interpretation, jings.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 05-Sept-16 13:39:22

Thanks Bags.

Yes. you are right Obi. People did get murdered there. Very sad, but I guess there are some people in this world it's better not to mess with.

thatbags Mon 05-Sept-16 13:39:37

obi, so murder is justified by annoyance, is it? Don't be silly. Anyone who commits murder because they are annoyed as a result of their own interpretation (which may be wrong) of a drawing needs to be locked up for the safety of everybody else.

thatbags Mon 05-Sept-16 13:44:54

Don't bother to answer, obes, please.

So, two possible interpretations, jings's being the better, have been mooted. And the rest have jumped on the "oh how awful! how cruel!" waggon.

Satire is diffifcult but one doesn't have to be a sheep. As I said earlier, CH does things to make people think laterally. I don't believe its purpose is to offend, but to bring people up short and get them to open their minds to strange, sometimes frightening, and definitely uncomfortable feelings.

That's a good and daring thing to do.

obieone Mon 05-Sept-16 14:05:29

Of course it's purpose is to offend. Your posts are being naive at best.
Saying things are art or whatever, does not get anyone off the hook.Or any other slant is put on it.

Ana - you wont have missed what happened there.

obieone Mon 05-Sept-16 14:06:24

I have probably said enough jingl.

thatbags Mon 05-Sept-16 14:12:23

Why is it supposed to offend?

Why would anyone want to mock people who have just suffered an earthquake? The premise that anyone would want to be cruel to people who'd suffered a disaster simply doesn't make sense.

Whereas, wanting to take the piss out of the main stream media for focussing on a few rich dudes and ignoring the majority of poorer people who've lost everything and in some cases everyone does make sense.

Why choose the option that's least likely? Just seems daft to me.

thatbags Mon 05-Sept-16 14:14:37

I am really pleased you sussed it, jings.

obieone Mon 05-Sept-16 14:15:28

Why would anyone want to mock people who have just suffered an earthquake? The premise that anyone would want to be cruel to people who'd suffered a disaster simply doesn't make sense

sociopaths, psycopaths, those types of people wouldnt think twice. We all know there are people like that.

I am not saying that those who work there are that.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 05-Sept-16 14:45:46

Obi put it another way.

An earthquake in Italy is likely to get more sympathy than one in, I dunno, somewhere in Outer Mongolia, where no one ever goes for their holiday, because of the things we associate with Italy..

Geddit?

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 05-Sept-16 14:46:41

Although the people in both places will have suffered equally.

Ana Mon 05-Sept-16 14:55:19

I still don't know what 'there' you are talking about, obieone. But never mind...

daphnedill Mon 05-Sept-16 14:58:35

This is a blog written by a Frenchman about French humour, explaining that it's something people outside France find difficult to understand. I think that's an understatement! I speak pretty good French, but I've never 'got' French humour and I think the French find it difficult to empathise with other cultures (hence some of the problems with burkinis, etc).

I think the blog (and there are others saying the same kind of thing) goes some way to explaining CH:

www.private-frenchlessons-paris.com/blog/cliches-of-french/1683-is-french-humour-difficult-to-export/

As a dyed-in-the wool Anglo-Saxon, I still don't find it funny.

daphnedill Mon 05-Sept-16 14:59:53

@thatbags

It most definitely was intended to offend. That's the whole point.

Maggiemaybe Mon 05-Sept-16 15:03:33

Nope, I'm not convinced. Sheeplike as I am, I find the cartoon cruel.

It was published alongside other cartoons as "covers we didn't use". I believe the artist probably thinks it's funny.

We only have to look at cartoons of Jews in the Nazi era to be reminded that not all satire is on the side of the angels. And that cruelty doesn't have to make sense.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 05-Sept-16 15:07:30

It was intended to offend those who need their attitude shaken up a bit. (The "shock horror! How could that happen to our Italy!" brigade) The ones who don't actually give a thought to the people the earthquake region really belongs to.

Ana the shootings in the Charlie Hebdo offices by the terrorists. Over the Mohammed cartoon.

rosesarered Mon 05-Sept-16 15:09:55

I don't agree with your interpretation jingl at all.The well off family on holiday from Britain were talked about in the press because they were British, that's all.
I think it is just the rather sick sense of humour that CH go in for.

rosesarered Mon 05-Sept-16 15:11:13

That is just your own opinion btw jingl as you don't speak for the mag.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 05-Sept-16 15:12:16

The article in the Times about the well off people, was elitist, concentrating as it did upon one well off group of Brits, with no mention of the native victims.

rosesarered Mon 05-Sept-16 15:12:57

Plus I think that most people feel sorrow for all the victims, wherever they are from.