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Keith Vaz

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jinglbellsfrocks Sun 04-Sept-16 22:47:00

Actually, I'm saying nothing else. Just thought I'd start a thread.

Jalima Tue 06-Sept-16 20:08:34

hmm I think resignation from the Select Committee was enough. His constituents should decide whether they still want him as MP or not at the next election not mob rule.

Anniebach Tue 06-Sept-16 20:01:57

I haven't read he has admitted to taking drugs Daphne. I believe the mirror has printed an alleged transcript of the secret recording along with a photograph of Vaz buggering one of the prostitutes,

Anniebach Tue 06-Sept-16 19:57:38

Disagree Jalima, some have no problem with coming out, some do. he became an MP over thirty years ago, it was easy to come out then? Glad your friend is in a close relationship , I have gay friends in close relationships, did have one who hanged himself though, he couldn't cope with coming out.

Anyway, seems Vaz had more to come, the far left of the party want him off the NEC and out of parliment.

I think Vaz paid a heavy price but not heavy enough for some , blood is wanted

daphnedill Tue 06-Sept-16 19:48:36

Has he admitted to taking drugs?

Jalima Tue 06-Sept-16 19:35:21

Anniebach I am sure that most of us have gay friends, or at least know gay people, and some we know may have wrestled with their sexuality which has caused a lot of pain (the one I know best is now in a happy relationship).

I don't think anyone is being homophobic and saying that the reason Vaz should resign (had resigned now) is because he is gay, bisexual or whatever he is. It is because he sought to hide this from the public and presumably from his family, is a moral arbiter in his position and as such should perhaps have declared a self-interest, ie saying that he is bi-sexual and takes drugs. It would be up to the powers-that-be to then decide if this made any difference to him holding the Chair of the Home Affairs Select Committee.

Anniebach Tue 06-Sept-16 17:01:04

No one should be made to hide their sexuality? Talk to gays who wrestled for years over their sexuality

GrannyBing Tue 06-Sept-16 16:45:18

It isn't a moral judgement in that sense daphnedill, of course it's right that MPs like the rest of us live the life that's right for them, no-one should be ashamed of or feel the need to conceal their sexuality at all. But Vaz is a high profile MP and I think it's fine to ask where his moral compass is in terms of his wife, children, public v private persona, illegal drugs, picking up strangers, lying, and who knows what else. It's a seriously responsible role, there has to be accountability to the public. That's our safeguard against corrupt politicians.
Having said that, it would be wrong if the vast majority of decent hard-working MPs are tarnished by this.

Anniebach Tue 06-Sept-16 16:42:34

At least he has made you happy kitty

kittylester Tue 06-Sept-16 16:39:58

I've refrained from posting my opinions on here but I find I am agreeing with jingl quite a lot! And POGS.

Coming from near Leicester, I've have heard quite a few bits of gossip about Vaz (and it might just be gossip but there is too much of it for it all to be wrong!) I'm glad that something has caught up with him.

Anniebach Tue 06-Sept-16 16:36:57

You need to kerb your imagination Jingle, I assure you with my great fear of snow I would never, ever wear white , took ages to find a wedding gown in deep cream

jinglbellsfrocks Tue 06-Sept-16 16:32:32

Sometimes ab I picture you as an angel. White raiments, arms outstretched to enfold the whole of the human race.

jinglbellsfrocks Tue 06-Sept-16 16:30:59

I feel sorry for Corbyn. He can't help his dopeyness.

jinglbellsfrocks Tue 06-Sept-16 16:29:00

I am judging him as a man as well as an MP. He's a dreadful man.

Anniebach Tue 06-Sept-16 16:26:33

Fair enough GrannyBing, I don't think his powerful influence has anything to do with his sexuality . I suppose it is disappointing when an MP proves to have human failings, it doesn't disappoint me, I feel sorry for them, I do mean in their personal,lives not as politicians .

LullyDully Tue 06-Sept-16 16:16:27

I have just checked him out on Wikipedia and he has ".sailed close to the wind " for years. However I do hate trial.by tabloid and Twitter as it is underhand. I do think KV has made the correct choice to leave the committee at least.

The criticism is of hypocrisy and self self-serving rather than his sexuality the which is his business.

GrannyBing Tue 06-Sept-16 16:10:27

OK I'm judging him by different standards, Anniebach, more harshly than the rest of the population, that's true. I think we should. Vaz isn't the first and won't be the last to disgrace the office of MP, it doesn't mean we should lower our expectations of them.
I'm sounding far too moralistic now, not what I'm like really! I just feel deeply disappointed that yet again someone in a powerful influential position appears to have been corrupted by it.

daphnedill Tue 06-Sept-16 15:47:15

However, I agree with you, ab, about the moral compass aspect. It's not so long ago that homosexuality was considered immoral and I'm glad people are more open now. Quite honestly, if all MPs were to be judged on their morality (whether sexual or financial), we wouldn't have many of them left. Unless osmething's illegal, I don't really think it's relevant - selection committees and constituents might, of course, think otherwise.

daphnedill Tue 06-Sept-16 15:44:05

Was just going to post the same as Ana.

Although it's not illegal, Vaz must have known what would happen if he was found out. Posing as a washing machine salesman shows he didn't want to be found out, but anybody in a high profile job such as his always runs a high risk.

I hope this doesn't become a political point scoring exercise, although I suspect it will.

Anniebach Tue 06-Sept-16 15:32:07

I am glad the select committee gave Vaz credit for the good he has done , he widened the scope of the committee to include FGM

Ana Tue 06-Sept-16 15:23:29

Prostitution itself is not illegal in the UK. Soliciting on street corners (or anywhere) is, as is kerb-crawling, runnng a brothel etc.

Anniebach Tue 06-Sept-16 15:08:36

Paying for sex is not ilegal

Anniebach Tue 06-Sept-16 15:06:41

Yes GrsnnyNing, I only remarked thst you claimed you were not judging him thrn said he had no moral compass, test is a judgement surely

Ilrina Tue 06-Sept-16 15:05:36

badenkate..not done anything illegal? I thought prostitution was illegal in this country be it male or fmale, and don't give me that escort rubbish, thats a posh word for a prostitute

BRedhead59 Tue 06-Sept-16 15:05:13

My concern is - children are watching -what are they supposed to make of this and many other indiscretions by people in high places.It's not his first dodgy activity either. Not illegal to exploit rent boys - well it should be. Irrespective of that what a way to treat his wife and family?

daphnedill Tue 06-Sept-16 14:56:24

@ab

Anybody who uses prostitutes is vulnerable to stings.