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Keith Vaz

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jinglbellsfrocks Sun 04-Sept-16 22:47:00

Actually, I'm saying nothing else. Just thought I'd start a thread.

POGS Tue 06-Sept-16 12:07:05

Thank you Kitty, appreciated.

kittylester Tue 06-Sept-16 12:01:17

Good posts, as usual, POGS.

jinglbellsfrocks Tue 06-Sept-16 11:53:29

Has he gone yet btw?

jinglbellsfrocks Tue 06-Sept-16 11:51:44

foxie Vaz is the hypocrite! He himself professed to be worried that Eastern European immigrants could be drawn into prostituion. And then he goes and hires some himself.

jinglbellsfrocks Tue 06-Sept-16 11:45:33

Jeremy Corbyn is showing up his daftness yet again.

tigger Tue 06-Sept-16 11:41:28

anniebach whilst I admire your stance regarding privacy etc.etc., we here are surprised it has taken so long to expose him. Plus following on from the Janner allegations it demeans the status of Labour MPs' in this area. Vaz does think he is fireproof, he is an arrogant bully. Don't get me started!

jinglbellsfrocks Tue 06-Sept-16 11:35:53

who. not why

jinglbellsfrocks Tue 06-Sept-16 11:35:26

Ab even prostitutes, adulterers, and druggies have the right to expect a decent moral code of the ones why govern them.

POGS Tue 06-Sept-16 11:33:39

Foxie

You are twisting my words to suit your personal rant.

Sorry you find me a sanctimonious hypocrite.

Might I point out that I did not say I find anything distasteful in the accusations against Vaz! You owe me an apology. I said he had done nothing illegal and made no further comment in respect of it .

I was trying to say that there are two issues over this matter and the one I am solely interested in is the role as Chair as the Home Affairs Select Committee .

No I haven't 'strayed' but it has bugger all to do with it.

radicalnan Tue 06-Sept-16 11:24:19

If a man cannot behave honourably towards his family, can the rest of us trust him?

Rent boys are vulnerable people, drugs are illegal, being a total T**T is optional and he made the wrong choice.

It is the arrogance of it all that shocks me.

He think he is fire proof, why?

foxie Tue 06-Sept-16 11:21:47

POGS you are setting yourself up as judge and jury at the risk of being accused of being a sanctimonious hypocrite. We don't live in a perfect world and people do indulge in practices which you and I may find distasteful but can you or anyway say with hand on heart that they have never strayed. I repeat "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone"

foxie Tue 06-Sept-16 11:16:30

Jeremy Corbyn has claimed allegations that influential Labour MP Keith Vaz paid male escorts for sex are a “private matter”.

I agree entirely. What anyone does in private is their own affair as long as it doesn't influence me. He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone.

POGS Tue 06-Sept-16 11:09:08

Irrespective of the political party involved MP's and particularly those who serve in Cabinet/Shadow Cabinet positions and Select Committees have to accept that their personal behaviour is going to be scrutinized and should ensure they can be held to account without contradiction to perform their role appropriately.

Whilst it is accepted thus far no law has been broken it is only part of the overall problem.

To my mind the MP's on the Select Committees, more so the appointed Chair, are to be held accountable for their actions and should be held to a higher standard than back bench MP's. Why? They are by the sheer nature of their parliamentary roles in a position to have a greater input into the governance of the UK through having the ability to scrutinize , question and report on matters that back benchers do not. They must be seen as beyond approach or how else could those who have been/will be scrutinized by them accept they have a right to do so.

The fact the Home Affairs Committee reports on drug policy, prostitution laws, immigration et all does in my mind have a conflict of interest as far as the present Chair goes. Keith Vaz should behave in a parliamentary fashion and resign from the role as Chair of the Home Affairs Committee, a role I am surprised was ever given to him with his past conflicts of interest.

He has a right to challenge the authenticity of the evidence made against him but he might be wise to offer to temporarily stand down pending the sensitivity of the matter.

nigglynellie Tue 06-Sept-16 10:56:13

I'm sorry but while I am perfectly comfortable to the point of not giving it a seconds thought, with somebody being in a relationship with anyone be it male or female, the sight and conversation of this ''party,' for me is just crude, disrespectful and if I'm honest just plain yuk! Again, sorry I can't be more liberal minded but I'm not! One can only hope that Mr Vaz's family are ok with the status quo, because if they're not, it would be just horrible for them.

Jalima Tue 06-Sept-16 10:52:49

daphnedil have just seen your comment re Jeffrey Archer lol

Of course you are right anniebach in that many people do these things, but if they are in a position which could influence any decisions they make affecting the lives of other people then we should be made aware.
Not just politicians - remember the head of the Coop bank for instance? People in positions such as these where they may leave themselves open to undue influence or even blackmail should not be so foolish.

Anniebach Tue 06-Sept-16 10:22:17

Surely someone who knows reasons why some use the services of prostitutes and knows prostitutes has a better understanding than those who condemn prostitution with no knowledge of the trade or the need some have for use of the trade

Anniebach Tue 06-Sept-16 10:13:20

The rest of the U.K.? That is the daftest comment ever, the rest of U K have high moral standards . Who pays prostitutes, who commits adultery, who takes drugs , ah immigrants and all those oversea visitors

Jalima Tue 06-Sept-16 10:10:42

I agree with Eloethan nigglienellie iam64

He has compromised his position as Chairman of the Home Affairs Select Committee.

We cannot expect all politicians to be free from sin (there wouldn't be many to choose from would there!) but, just as they have to declare interests in anything which is for financial gain or may otherwise influence their decision-making, surely anything which could alter their thinking on policy but which they try to keep secret should, if found, be made public.

Of course it is not a private matter, it is in the public interest because of the influence they hold.

jinglbellsfrocks Tue 06-Sept-16 10:04:07

Google it.

Anniebach Tue 06-Sept-16 09:52:45

Yes you and anyone else can join a thread when they choose, why did you have the need to insult me jingle. Never understood what virtual signalling is, explain please

jinglbellsfrocks Tue 06-Sept-16 09:50:52

Yes. And the rest of the citizens of the UK.

Anniebach Tue 06-Sept-16 09:49:28

Good moral code as set out by gransnet.

jinglbellsfrocks Tue 06-Sept-16 09:47:21

That's just silly ab. I and anyone else, can join a thread at whatever point I/they choose.

Today's news has made the case more interesting. I think he will be gone soon. Permanently.

jinglbellsfrocks Tue 06-Sept-16 09:44:30

It is best if the people who govern us are decent human beings with a good moral code.

What has been reported in this case points to the person in question being outside that scenario.

Anniebach Tue 06-Sept-16 09:40:55

Well done Jingle, you kept your wooden spoon back for longer than usual