Brexit 3

I'd like to know who these 'most pundits' are too, Jalima.

David Davis would say it's about 'hard Brexit', because that's his agenda.

I've read the transcription of May's speech a couple of times and I can't see that it says very much at all, apart from giving some deadlines.

I don't know what the 1972 European Communities Act covered, so I'm not 100% sure what is going to be repealed. I still have more questions than May gave answers. I don't believe any promises until they've been signed off.

'...on which he or she is knowledgeable (or can at least appear to be knowledgeable)'

Love the bit in brackets!

Who are these most pundits?

A pundit is a person who offers to mass media his or her opinion or commentary on a particular subject area (most typically political analysis, the social sciences, technology or sport) on which he or she is knowledgeable (or can at least appear to be knowledgeable)

Does that include Gransnetters imparting their vast knowledge to this bit of the mass media

How exciting, can we add this to our CVs?

She seems to be doing very well as far as I am concerned.

Most pundits say her speech today means a hard Brexit.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/02/david-davis-oxford-seminar-hard-brexit-eu

Which agricultural laws are detrimental to the UK?

Could somebody please clarify something? Do agricultural subsidies count as 'laws' in the same way that regulations about standards, etc do? I don't think they do, but I could be wrong.

This 'Great Repeal Act' will mean little in practice, because it will only affect legal issues where British law is in conflict with the European Court of Justice. There actually aren't many issues. The UK will have to maintain trading standards, if it still wants to export to the EU (which I assume it does). The only real difference will be that the laws will have UK on the top of them rather than EU. Any changes to environmental and employment laws (for example) will have to go through Parliament.

That didn't make sense...

To apologise for saying I misquoted you?

I meant reforming, and must read through posts before posting. Mind you as an 11+ failure what can you expect?!

I wasn't, niggly. You said repealing, not reforming.
Repealing means getting rid of, revoking, nullifying.

'...and repealing laws that we feel are detrimental to us particularly in agriculture. (The allocation of subsidies needs repealing for a start.)'

I didn't say we needed to get rid of the agriculture policy, what I said was that subsidies need reforming, among other things. Please don't misquote me dj.

So what is Giuliano Amato saying that we don't already know?

We've already been told the UK must be shown 'the error of its ways' so I don't think any Brexiteers are expecting anything but a bumpy ride from the EU grandees.

Not in doubt at all. They are very important. Niggly says we need to get rid of the agriculture policy. Hammond says we are going to keep the CAP policy, and that is what the Brexiteers promised.

Isn't it important to know why article 50 was drafted, and what the man who drafted it thinks?

If in doubt, throw a couple of links in...

www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-amato-idUSKCN1012Q8

This is from the man who actually wrote article 50 into law, to shut the UK up.

energydesk.greenpeace.org/2016/09/29/common-agricultural-policy-millions-eu-subsidies-go-richest-landowners/

Sir James Dyson on the list. Who would have thought he was a farmer?

I would say sensible, measured and not saying anything until she and her advisers had looked at everything.

I don't know if some people expected wild claims and promises of the Gove/Johnson type from Theresa May, but thank goodness she did not go down that route.

Lots of people have said that she was right not to let the EU and the UK know what she was planning.
Now she's told us everything
Now she is sure of what she is planning she has let us know and avoided more speculation.

People will perhaps now stop claiming that any of the EU laws that have been good will be abandoned now that they will be enshrined in UK law.

All EU law is going to be transferred to UK law. Then parliament, both commons and lords, will go through it law by law, and vote on every law. Some people think it could take up to twenty years.
Brexiteers promised to keep the agriculture laws, to give the same money to agriculture. Have you seen how much money the big landowners get? They promised no change in giving CAP money to the landowners.

Exactly, Mrs May will do things and tell the rest of us as she sees fit, not be pushed and shoved into promises she may or may not be able to keep until she is certain. Much better that than promising the earth and then the big let down when reality kicks in. Feel let down by her?!!! I think she the best thing that's happened to this country for donkeys years,particularly bearing in mind the circumstances in which we find ourselves. I'm perfectly happy with transferring some EU law into UK law, and repealing laws that we feel are detrimental to us particularly in agriculture. (The allocation of subsidies needs repealing for a start.) and I think you'll find that most brexiteers are. These things will all be well discussed in parliament, so no back door deals, and imo under Mrs May it will work out and be a success. I have every confidence in her.

*That keeps everything as it is, no actual changes in the law except that it will be UK law, not EU law.
Not what Brexiters wanted, I don't think*

Near enough. Plus I bear in mind that I am not a politicain so dont know everything that is best!

And a lot better than it could have been, and doesnt compare to Remain.

'Nothing to do with cluelessness but everything to do with playing your cards close to your chest. Until there is something concrete to say we won't know anything. Stops speculation and false rumours, much better strategy all round.'

Your post last Wednesday, niggly.

Don't you feel just a little bit let down by her?
Lots of people have said that she was right not to let the EU and the UK know what she was planning.
Now she's told us everything.

The link was from the BBC, by the way, not the Guardian. I presume even you watch the BBC.

Let's face it in the eyes of most posters on here, whatever Mrs May does or doesn't do will be wrong so there's really not much point anybody other than the left wingers discussing it amongst themselves! Preaching to the converted I agree,but probably inevitable bearing in mind the venom on here for anybody of differing opinions. You either read the Guardian or you're binned! I've never read the Guardian in my life and never intend to, so bin it'll have to be.

So after all the stuff about keeping her cards close to her chest, she has let it all out now.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37532364

She's told us that she is going to use article 50 before the end of March, and that she is going to have a big repeal.
That keeps everything as it is, no actual changes in the law except that it will be UK law, not EU law.
Not what Brexiters wanted, I don't think.