LibDems win Council seat in Sheffield

I don't read the Times, either, by the way, or the Telegraph apart from the two articles I am allowed to look at before the paywall comes down, and that's usually only because I've been directed to them from an email.

What are you on about POGS? I thought there was only one list. Where did the other one come from?
Just shows, I'm not up to date, because I don't watch Sky.

At least McDonald didn't say this time - it was a joke . Some on that list are already being threatened

I thought you a Tory supporter niggle , given the disagreements we have had

Niggly, in future, ask Annie in a pm, so I don't think you are actually asking about me. Then I won't be arsed to answer it for myself.
Okay?
Her view is not the truth.

dj, I neither know nor care who you support or why. At the risk of repeating myself, I begged the question of ab bearing in mind your almost fanatical defense of JC etc. I simply wanted her view, bearing in mind you are both socialists with presumably the same outlook on politics. I don't care one jot if you think I belong to UKIP, as I've said, I never mention them never mind defend them, but you are at liberty to think what you like, it honestly doesn't bother me. Why should it?!

Funny I thought we have spoken of things aired on Sky News/Aljazeera before Durhamjen, they are both on free view. I don't pay for a package.

If you haven't watched how the story unfurled during the Husting, as it happened, then I suppose your understanding of why it is being said Corbyn defended the list at the time could not be questioned. In other words no time to come up with the usual John McDonnell excuses 'not me/us guv'.

Why do you think' both ' lists were compiled about their own MP's and what intention were they to be used for given there content material, e.g hostile to Corbyn.

Jrn, just read your last post again, you need to take a break from threads on labour politics

Niggly, if you really want to know why I support Corbyn and McDonnell, read this.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/16/jeremy-corbyn-leadership-david-cameron-libya-labour

These are my views exactly. I am glad somebody else thinks this. Lots of labour party members think the same. That's why he has so much support, including mine.

It doesn't make me a militant.

Jen, in future I suggest you talk to the grown ups here.

Regards Smith, how msny times do I hsve to repeat my vote for Smith was an anti Corbyn vote. Smith will be out if the house soon, Momentum has descended on Pontypridd .

Trot along and talk to the grown ups , if I am not posting at the time of the next election I will say now- told you so

Don't have Sky, POGS. Don't watch Sky. It's owned by someone who doesn't pay his taxes.

Yes, you only respect and value posters who agree with you, Annie. I can live with losing your respect if you think that Smith is the answer.

He thinks that Momentum and Militant are the same because they both begin with a big M.
He'll make a really good leader, so incisive.

I have said that I am not a member of MIlitant or Momentum, but nobody believes me, so why should I believe you about UKIP.
Annie thinks that anyone who supports Corbyn must be a trot or a militant. She cannot see beyond that. Why did you ask her, and not me? I think I am the one who knows, not her.
Of course I am defensive, just as you are if I suggest you might be Ukip.

Durhamjen

Did you watch the Last t.v Husting on Sky where this 'other' list was brought up by Owen Smith and therefore saw Corbyn's response ? I know I have posted this before but here goes.

McDonnell , Corbyn and co seem to have a collective mental block/selective amnesia as this type of scenario has happened on occasions before.

Who doesn't remember only last March there was another 'leaked by, not our fault we had nothing to do with it guv' list of 'hostile to Corbyn ' MP's where they were ranked from Core to Hostile.

March 2016
A spokesperson for Corbyn denied responsibility for the list, telling The Times: “It doesn’t come from this office and we have no knowledge of it”.

labourlist.org/2016/03/leaked-list-ranks-labour-mps-by-hostility-to-corbyn/

I watched Labour MP Neil Coyle today being interviewed and he was quite rightly annoyed. He , like many other Labour MP's have been challenging this type of thing for months but if you look at the original list he was only 'Core Group Negative' back then so he has moved up to presumably 'Hostile' now.

Given the content of both lists why do you think they were was compiled? What possible use would they be intended for?

I didn't suggest that you were a militant dj, I just asked, as you seemed so defensive of any criticism of JC and his ilk, if ab thought you might be, I don't know or care one way or the other! I haven't defended Nigel Farage, in fact I've not mentioned UKIP, or any of its members or policies, so why would you think that I would be a supporter? No, I have not suggested that TM should be moving more quickly over Brexit; in fact my view has always been that she should move on that as and when she sees fit, to do differently could risk plans being hurriedly thought out and detrimental to future negotiations. I think you'll find that TM was a reluctant remainer, maybe out of loyalty, maybe out of conviction. I don't actually know that.

You my call me childish Jen, but this attack just shows how you have changed as a poster to be respected and opinions valued , sadly you get more aggressive with every criticism made of Corbyn?

My views on what Owen said will be giving willingly when you answer the question - if Corbyn is not militant ehy dud he lead a campaign to get militants bsck into the party? The likes of Derek Hatton,

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/16/jeremy-corbyn-leadership-david-cameron-libya-labour

This is what I believe in, Annie.

I do not trust McDonald.
I trust McDonnell.
You really should stop being quite so childish about his name, then people might start taking you seriously again.

Corbyn said it had been an error, but he said that all it was was a list of comments people had said. Is that not what it was?
Do you know any differently?
Do you know better than Corbyn and McDonnell what was in the list?
The reason McDonnell was quoted more is because he was on QT last night.
They were both at a meeting today and both said the same.

Do you agree with Owen Smith's talk of calling momentum parasites, feeding on the labour party and then throwing away a dead husk?
Do you think that's an acceptable thing for the possible next leader of the country to say?
If anyone was going to change their minds, they won't now.

Jen, if he is not militant why did he campaign to bring militants back into the party? If I had kept up a pretence that I supported him I would have let myself down.

You believe he can win a general election? no way can he.

Niggly, if you and Annie can suggest I'm a militant, I can suggest that you are a Ukipper. Certainly lots of your posts come across as being far to the right of Theresa May.
She wanted to remain, or have you forgotten.

Aren't you someone who thinks May is not moving fast enough to get us out of the EU?

Yes I know what was alleged the named MP's said, do I believe McDonald? No, why didn't Corbyn say it had been an error, he defended it . You trust McDonald I do not.

Why on earth was the list made ? McDonald as usual did his Uriah Heep act , do you think the thugs who have threatened MP's will ignore this list? No doubt you do.

What baffles me is how an intelligent woman who claims to have been a labour supporter for years can keep making the weakest excuses for Corbyn .

Was he right to lead the campaign to bring the militants back into the party?

Was he right to take a holiday during the Brexit campaign ?

Is he right to complain MP's are not supporting him considering he failed to support four party leaders ?

Why?!!! I can assure you, if it's any of your business, that I am firmly behind Theresa May and her government, as are all members of my family. An excellent, unexpected bonus of Brexit.

'Today McDonnell, chair of the Jeremy for Labour campaign, described his frustration at the distribution of the dossier which he said was designed to respond to attacks from anti-Corbyn MPs.

“That release came from the campaign, it didn’t come from Jeremy. We have apologised, it was just inappropriate,” he said in comments reported by the BBC.

“One of our researchers saw a bit of incoming flak and then did a list of all the statements that have been made by other MPs, some of which were not particularly kind… it was a briefing note, it shouldn’t have gone out and we apologised for that.

“It certainly wasn’t a list in any way to attack anyone, it was just a factual report.” '

About the list. I am sure you will not believe it. I am sure you must have already read this.

It's actually a list of what labour MPs have said about other MPs, all in the public domain.

Annie, sorry, but I do not feel you have let me down. You have let yourself down.
I thought you said you didn't label people but you are quite happy to say that anyone who supports Corbyn after you have decided that he is not worth supporting is a militant.
He is not a militant. It has been closely researched and nobody can find any evidence to support the theory.
He did not lie about the train seats. The photo that showed him going through an empty carriage with no reserved seats was the dining carriage. Branson forgot about that, but it's on the website. However, you believe everything you hear against him, and do not even look at any opposing evidence, because you might not like what you see, and you might have to change your views, which you repeat over and over again on GN at every opportunity you cabn get.
He didn't let the party down during Brexit. He gave more speeches than any other remainer apart from Cameron. May was nowhere to be seen, but she isn't attacked by her party.
It's you who is letting the party down by going against the leader chosen by the majority.

Niggly, I think you are UKIP.

Thank you for pointing out my error dj but I think you must've realised that it was a slip of my Kindles keyboard and my failure to read through my post thoroughly. However, I stand corrected!!!!

No Jen, I do not know you are not militant, I think you have developed into a militant because of your belief in Corbyn, I have always said I supported Corbyn and I voted for him, when I learned more about him I withdrew my support. He campaigned to get militants back into the party after the harm they did . He did let the party down during the Brexit campaign,even went on holiday during that period. he did lie about the train seats , he did sit quietly whilst a member of momentum heckled a labour MP and after the meeting was seen jollying up to the heckler . I do believe he released the list , I do believe he is putting his eighties politics before the party.

I don't think the young who join momentum but anyone who was involved with the party in the eighties either cannot support him because of his militant beliefs or can support him but they are not concerned with the dangers of militants .

I understand you feel I hsve let you down but would you keep up a pretence ? I think not