Channel 4 Dispatches - Momentum Party

This is interesting.

'Corbyn again was best at getting registered supporters to back him, but he did not win amongst this group as overwhelmingly as he did last time. In 2015 Corbyn was much better than other candidates at actively recruiting registered supporters and he won by 84% in this category. This year he won with 70%, reflecting the fact that this year Corbyn’s opponents made an active effort, through groups like Saving Labour, to get their own people to sign up. The fact that people had to pay £25 to be a registered supporter, not £3, may also have deflated Corbyn’s support a bit.'

This shows that Momentum did not have a big effect. He lost 14% since last year in this group.
What they forgot to mention is the number of people who had their vote annulled in this group, or who were refused a vote.

Still no opinion from Corbyn supporters on the question leading this thread , seems they all missed it.

End of

Son came round last night and we had a long chat about the Labour Party.

He has recently attended a meeting which was attended by Corbyn. There were over 1000 people who attended and Corbyn was very well received.

What I found interesting was that there was overwhelming agreement for a broad left coalition composing the left wing of the Labour Party the Lib -Dems and the Greens. Don't forget that Brighton is a Green constituency.

I think it is a runner and has a lot of advantages.

The right wing of the Labour Party would get rid of the thorn in their side and be free to pursue Tory lite policies which they seem to think will be an election winner, and the Broad left will be able to provide a true opposition to Tory policies, whether in the guise of the Tories or right wing Labour.

I believe that a real opposition will be extremely attractive to the 60% who didn't vote Tory last time.

You'll be saying that the 1983 hammering was his fault as well, Annie. That was the year he was elected MP, so the hammering couldn't have been his fault.

I think the very same Millbrook. Labour will not win a general election with a far left leader , he said Foot was a great success when leader, seems he forgot the hammering the Labour Party got in 1983 , or he believes that was a success

Are you a LP member, Millbrook?

Also nightowl ... I didn't compare JC's views to Blairs. It's their actions.....Blair destroyed lives through war, Corbyn will destroy them by staying as Labour leader ( see above)

I explained already nightowl.... Because he knows he can't win an election, but he still won't resign. Which means the Tories will be in power for a long time, which means lots of bad things will happen because in that thing called Govt, the winner gets to do what they want.

Have you been a LP member long?

Shami was so very emotional last night, she said - a 66 year old man was stabbed in the back in daylight in cold blood.

She seems very fond of him

Corbyn's first big issue is about grammar schools. There's going to be a campaign for inclusive education starting next Saturday.

I hope nobody's going to disagree with this being a good idea.

No he didn't, Annie. He won in all three parts.

He got 59% of the votes of older members. By my reckoning, that's a majority.
He won 60% of the union membership, again, a majority.
What don't you understand there?
A majority in all three parts.
They had no need to split it that way, but did so to show he has the support of the majority in all three types of membership.

You live in a different world from me as well Millbrook if you think one man's political views can be compared to the destruction caused by war.

And just how has Corbyn destroyed anyone's life chances anyway?

So Corbyn won on the votes of the new members not on the votes of loyal Labour Party members

The votes which matter to the vunerable in this country will be the votes at the next general election , I feel such sorrow for them

Jeremy Corbyn arrogant?
You live in a different world from the majority of Labour Party members, Millbrook.

I can't stand Corbyn durhamjen That's not personal abuse - just a fact. He can't stand Blair, and says so frequently...what's the difference?

And what's so outrageous about the comparison nightowl? People die of poverty, lack of mental health services, homelessness etc, just as much as in war. Corbyn knows full well that he can't get Labour into govt, to stop those things happening, and he doesn't care. He earns 137k a year, owns his expensive London home, gives his son and his friends highly paid jobs in the Labour Party. He's all fine words and no consequences for him. His 'principles' are just an excuse for arrogance.

Corbyn won in all sections of the party, in long standing members, affiliated members and the registered supporters.

labourlist.org/2016/09/jeremy-corbyn-earns-refreshed-mandate-as-he-is-re-elected-labour-leader/

He won 59% of the ordinary members.

Well said Millbrook

We no longer have a Labour Party, we have the momentum party

Confirmed

Corbyn. 61.8%

Smith. 38.2%

Corbyn's wilful destruction of their life chances is just as bad as anything Blair did in Iraq.

What a dreadful and outrageous comparison Millbrook.

I guess you don't like Corbyn, then, Millbrook.
He's asking everyone to stop personal abuse at the moment.
It's official now, Annie, 61.8%

Corbyn wins by 62% , last time it was 59% , this is not an official announcement

Andy Burnham is jumping ship to be mayor of Manchester because he knows full well Labour will never be in Govt under Corbyn. He has remained quiet during the campaign and, now that it's all over, is producing stuff like this article, so that he can get Corbynistas' votes in his own election. They don't seem to have much of a clue about how real politics works - but they'll vote for pretty much anyone who supports their hero JC. Fairly shifty behaviour from AB, but then he's now on the same Corbyn supporting team as people like Ken Livingstone and George Galloway, so no surprise there.

The idea that JC can win the next GE is just risible....the electorate on the doorstep think he's a joke. 71% of people who voted Labour last time but will not vote for them again will do so specifically because of him. (And no, the non voters and Iraq returners will not make up the difference!)

Today is a sad day for the Labour party, the country, and the people who need a Govt who protects and supports them. Corbyn's wilful destruction of their life chances is just as bad as anything Blair did in Iraq. And Corbyn is just as self righteous and smug as Blair could be, without his brains and ability to win elections.

No, those can't be the reasons for the PLP not giving him a chance from the first meeting.

I do hope the PLP were not so petty.
Shami Chakrabaati was only made a member of the Lords last month, so that had nothing to do with what happened a year ago.

Do you think it's better to pack the Lords with people who want to keep the Lords as it is, or with people who want it abolished?

He voted with his conscience in parliament, which is why there are so many new members now, because they like someone who has principles. He voted against the party line on average once a month, that's all.

I do not think divorcing his wife would have anything to do with whether the PLP went along with him, and I think it's weird that you think that is the reason. In most divorces there are many reasons.

I think you are letting your prejudicial rants get in the way again.

Rosesarered, if I may answer your question?

He had thirty years of chances as an MP

Policies are the most important but there is also the way an MP conducts themselves which show the man/woman

To run a campaign to bring in militants and communists back into the party

To vote time and time again against party leaders then demand MP's support him

To make Shami a baroness weeks after she carried out the anti semitism investigation when both want the lords abolished

And this will be scoffed at - and I am no royalist - when the Queen Mother died the house paid tribute, Corbyn who is a republican and didn't approve turned up for it in a bright red jacket , he should have showed he didn't want tributes paid by staying away

Divorcing wife no 2 because of her choice of school for one son

Left his polytechnic before gaining his degree because he disagreed with the curriculum set by his tutors

This shows a man who in my opinion is unbending, will not compromise a fraction , his way or no way , this is a man who cannot work in a team so how can he be a team leader

It's in the article, roses.