Do you think there was a reason for him 'not being given a chance' ?
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Channel 4 Dispatches - Momentum Party
(513 Posts)Well that was interesting. I should say Panarama was also enlightening but not as forceful and uncompromisingly direct in it's reporting content as Dispatches.
I'm not going to simply post on the Lib Dem Thread which has turned into a Labour Thread as I think this programme summed up exactly what I have thought and have been posting since the formation of Momentum , it is a ' Party within a Party.'
I will say now to those who will see it as propaganda and take umbrage at my post you cannot argue with what you see and hear from the horses mouth, no matter how hard you might try and no doubt will.
The fact Momentum are doing all they can to play down the Momentum name in connection to the ' Jeremy for Labour ' Campaign , the use of the Unite Union office are significant, the way the reporter was paid is serious stuff and I hope there is further investigation into that. Will anybody take it up I wonder?.
Has anybody 'Cicked' on the ' Jeremy for Labour ' Campaign or answered questions on the phone in connection with it. The reason I ask is if you have you are, as I understood it, on the data base on the Jeremy For Labour Services?. Listen to what is said about it , you may not be too happy, or maybe you will of course.
There is to be fair a Momentum explanation and statement at the end of the programme but it is worth viewing to make your own mind up if you didn't catch it.
Excellent article here by Andy Burnham.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/23/andy-burnham-jeremy-corbyns-labour-leadership-call-for-unity
It seems that even the first PLP meeting after the election last year was anti-Corbyn. He wasn't given a chance.
I have trisher, Corbyn should stand down, another leadership contest ,there are honest Labour MP's and the party is able to cut free of momentum .
I cannot agree that Corbyn has been honest, he was when a back bencher , but not since becoming leader. Let's have a leader who will take on the.media, hsve the courage to be interviewed live on the Today programme, it is the one programme the country respects, every politician faces a grilling and they all accept this and they get their message across to the public, appearing st organised rallies is useless
If you actually posted some real ideas instead of just condemnation of Corbyn that might be quite nice Anniebach.
I am surprised that there are young people who don't know who Blair is. My DSs in their 30s are very aware of him and the illegal war he led us into. There are so many reasons why the Tory ascendance can be traced back to him. When he led us into the war a substantial number of Labour voters moved to the Lib Dems and remained there because of student grants- so we got a coalition government. The LIb Dems lied and Labour presented a party practically indistinguishable from the Tories at the next election, so the Tories stayed in. Unless there is a real anti-austerity party the Tories will stay in power. I don't care who leads it but I know that for most people it must be someone who has real Labour value and who is seen as honest.
No more to say to you Jen.
I will not exchange posts with you, nightowl or Jen, I will continue to post my opinions on Corbyn and momentum but will be addressing the forum.
I think you'll find you have just exchanged a post with me.
I would like to repeat a post I made earlier, there are just a few posters I have no wish to exchange views and opinions with but I will continue to address subjects posted on this thread, if I didn't it would become a corbyn is the messiah thread
Thanks
Some of us think that Labour can win the next election with Corbyn as leader, providing the PLP gets behind him.
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/23/labour-party-two-choices-marketing-movement-building
Please ignore me, Annie, like you said you were going to do.
Giving thought to which oposition MP May will listen to, for some reason I doubt it will be Corbyn given her mocking of him not being able to form a shadow cabinet . She doesn't seem to take advice from her own party MP's
The party does need to move forward , going back thirty years is pointless Obieone but the far left will take it back
It is not forward, it is backwards.
I really dont think that the far left can complain any more about tory policies, when they are it appears supporting a man and ideals that they dont think will mean the Labour Party will be back in power in 2020 or even 2025. And which splits the party so much, that there is not an effective opposition any more.
i so agree trisher that the party has to distance itself from Blair's legacy if it is to have any credibility. I have nothing against David Miliband personally but in my opinion he is too closely associated with Blair to have credibility as a future party leader. It has nothing to do with age, but the party needs to move forward not backwards now. I will be putting my efforts into pushing it to do so.
David Miliband is the president and CEO of the International Rescue Committee.
He has one thing to tell May, and that's to sort out her part of the refugee crisis.
She is taking no notice of him there. She'll take no notice of him as leader of the Labour Party.
Seems a man of fifty who looks to the future is the past, a man almost twenty years older who lives in the past is the future
Corbyns first wife said she voted for Corbyn when he first stood for the leadership, this time she voted for smith because Corbyn was still promoting eighties politics
If ever he chose to.
Time to stop chuntering about the 'evil' Tony Blair ( actually, no, he wasn't and did some good things.) Also why is David Miliband 'the past. ' years younger than Corbyn and could make a good Leader.
Daphne, some are using the .iraq war as a weapon. I am now a Blairite because I voted for the Labour Party during Blairs years as leader. I am glad I did and would do it again. Not for Blair but for the good a Labour Party does.
Whitewave, you think I have been happy? I have sobbed over all this but I cannot support a leader who thinks Michael Foots leadership was a great success , I adored Michael but he took the party into the wilderness years and that was a success?
The party cannot work together with Corbyn as leader , in all honesty I do not trust him , I want a leader who can stand on his/her own feet not be controlled by the likes of momentum . I have given my reasons for my change of views on Corbyn many,many times, I have said I voted for Smith as an anti Corbyn vote yet I still get taunts that I support Smith . I have been honest about my change of support for Corbyn but am accused of being a hypocrite , no I have been honest
@trisher
My children hardly even know who Blair was or what he did. I'm afraid I think harm is being done to the Labour Party by labelling everybody on the right wing of the party a Blairite.
I believe Labour could have won the last election (or at least been the largest party), if Miliband had been more charismatic and able to explain his policies better.
Oh annie I have been watching your posts with sadness! Never forget that we all of us whether from left, right or centre of the Labour Party want the same thing -to get rid of this reactionary motley crowd of a government. Would it not be so much better if we concentrated instead on what is happening or planned by this government and use our energies instead on arguing our case.
If you look at what Smith and Corbyn want for the party you can hardly put a cigarette paper between them. What will be will be in the Leadership, but from Saturday we must all begin to learn to pull in the same direction otherwise all our dreams of ridding ourselves of this dreadful mess and most of all this dreadful government will be as dust.
trisher,I will not discuss Iraq or Blair, I have been reported for upsetting a certain poster , I will not exchange posts with you, nightowl or Jen, I will continue to post my opinions on Corbyn and momentum but will be addressing the forum
I understand that you believe that any Labour government is better than any Tory one but can you not accept that Blair did real harm? To my mind the manipulation and threats used by the combination of Blair, Mandelson and Campbell which ensured that we went to war in Iraq without really questioning the dodgy dossier did far more harm to the Labour party that any thing undertaken by any other groups. That harm still remains in people's memory and is probably responsible for the Tories being in power now. Yes he won elections but he also alienated many people and unless something is done to distance the party from his legacy he has effectively made Labour unelectable. Harking back to 1983 doesn't help. What would you suggest the party does to wipe out the memory?
No jen I don't think it is hypocritical, I voted for a labour government not one person, a labour government who did much good and I have no regrets because my vote helped the vunerable , this is what being a labour member means to me.
Was Robin Cook a hypocrite? He remained a labour MP , I think we can assume he voted labour not Tory during that time.
You have accused me of wanting to be a hypocrite ehich in my opinion is a sly way of accusing me of being a hypocrite
Unlike your hero when asked by the select committee on his description of Hamas as his friends I will not say - with hindsight I was wrong.
No more to say to you Jen.
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