Channel 4 Dispatches - Momentum Party

How do you think the Labour Party without Jeremy Corbyn is going to reach out to voters across the country Annie? They weren't doing too well before Jeremy Corbyn became leader were they? Mainly because Tony Blair was exposed as a liar who took us into an illegal war, and people lost confidence in the party, not surprisingly. Gordon Brown didn't win much support and neither did Ed Miliband. So in which direction do you suggest the party should go next? Back to the right? More Tory lite? Why? There are other centre parties for those whose political views are central. I really don't understand where you want the party to stand, or which principles you think it should hang on to.

And please, please save us from David Miliband. He's the past too.

The most important people in the Labour Party are those people who vote for them, whether they are members or not.

Are as important , NOT more important .

Nothing changes the fact that any,party who wants to win an election has to reach out to voters across the country not just Corbyn groupies

1.
This organisation shall be known as ‘The Labour
Party' (hereinafter referred to as ‘the party’).
2.
Its purpose is to organise and maintain in Parliament
and in the country a political Labour Party
3.
The party shall bring together members and
supporters who share its values to develop policies,
make communities stronger through collective action
and support, and promote the election of Labour
Party representatives at all levels of the
democratic process.
4.
The party shall give effect, as far as may be
practicable, to the principles from time to time
approved by party conference.

The PLP always gives the impression that the PLP is the most important part of the labour party. It always quotes clause one.
This is the whole of clause one. It is in four parts, and says that the party members and supporters in the country are as important.

McClusky is still threaten deselection

Not untill after the next election Rosesarered, unless Corbyn does the decent thing for the party, putting it before his fantasies

(to roses)

Pity he didn't get it in 2010. The Unions shot themselves in the foot there...

So Corbyn thinks Michael Foot did a great job job 1983 and he it seems he will better this - stupid man still hasn't worked out this is what many fear

Caufman did describe Michaels 1983 manifesto as the longest suicide note in history , he was so right, poor Michael believed the country wanted to move to the far left

I think that David Miliband is awaiting his chance.

For a bit of balance.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/21/anti-corbyn-group-funded-tony-blair-spin-doctor-benjamin-wegg-prosser

They weren't all brown shirts in 1933 either.

In relation to the rise of the far right in Europe: " When naive politicians ignore their people, they will turn to someone will listen"
This was from an article explaining the vote in Berlin. They weren't all skin heads in Doc Martins, but ordinary folk who didn't like the changes happening in their country.

David Milliband has stated the the labour has never been so unelectable since the 1930s.

You're last sentence is spot on POGS ! The Tories are no different....many of the old style membership loathed Cameron. The difference is they didn't care about liking him, as long as he was a winner....The Labour Party seem to have the opposite approach at the moment!

Nightowl

You make a fair response.

"Except POGS that Jeremy Corbyn was democratically elected as leader, not chosen by a group of MPs to be the fall guy"

Yes he was and some of those who nominated Corbyn for the Leadership have been vocal as to how they regret their decision as time has past. MP's such as Margaret Beckitt, Sarah Champion, Neil Coyle (Who alongside the deceased MP Jo Cox wrote of their regret), Clive Efford , Frank Field etc., I could go on naming names but the point I am making is they have all felt they no longer can support him as Leader and Momentum is often mentioned as part of the reason why.

As for New Labour was 'Dead In The Water' that may be true . Personally I think Ed Milliband was a disaster for Labour and had it ' changed Leader' who knows? The Leader the membership want is not necessarily the Leader the country wants to govern them, the two can be worlds apart.

Annie why are you equating my rejection of right wing politics with support of Momentum!? It doesn't make sense.

One is flogging a dead horse against denial

I'm not a fan of Jeremy Corbyn or Momentum. There is not a hope in hell of Labour winning an election under him, or any hard left leadership. I think it's sad that many people on the left don't seem to care about winning an election. And even sadder that many people who are new to politics are taken in by his approach, and believe that things will actually change as a result of them supporting him ( all those rallies etc).
But most of all I feel sorry for local politicians and candidates who are doing a good job. We desperately need more women to stand for local councils, but so many will be put off by the Corbyn/Momentum nonsense in local parties. And good candidates, in moderate seats, will lose because the general public don't want to vote Labour whilst it is led by Corbyn.

He, and the people behind Momentum ( a rag bag of Militants, unions and posh boys) have done so much damage to Labour, to women, and to the people who suffer under a Tory Govt. It's heartbreaking.

Flogging a dead horse there Pogs

Dd yes if you step back and look at the bigger picture - it is so easy to get down with parochial stuff- it is beginning to look quite worrying. I think as far as our -the wests- relationship with Russia is concerned this is as bad as the cold war. The middle east is worse than its ever been
The EU is in crises, with the right being in ascendancy.
It goes on and on

Labour will never win an election with the far left in control , didn't in 1983 and will not win the next. Easy to say how many new young members Momentum has drawn into the party, no matter the rest of the country who are not members, or like me are members and know from experience how a far left Labour Party is feared in this country . Labour will lose quite a large number of seats come the new boundaries ..

To win an election the party must win seats off the Tories, Libs and UKIP in England and Wales, not in labour strong holds only.

Corbyn and McDonald are concerned with holding power in the party not in the country.

Corbyn had a shadow cabinet , those who resigned did so because Corbyn let them down in the Brexit campaign and the infiltration of Militsntd, communist etc. . Pretend as much as you choose but this is the fact.

I don't think Labour was dead in the water, nightowl. I voted for them for the first time ever in 2015 and truly hoped they would win.

I won't vote for the current set up, because they're behaving like a primary school playground. I've lost track of all the factions bickering with each other.

I have very little confidence in Corbyn or his supporters. They might say the right things (sometimes) about social justice, but it comes over as abstract ideology. I have no confidence that any of them have seriously thought through how they would achieve change in reality.

Only 25% of those eligible to vote voted for the current Tory government, so there are potentially 75% of voters who would vote for an anti-Tory government. It's tragic that a strong opposition can't wipe the floor with the Tories, but opinion polls show that Labour is becoming even more unpopular with the general public.

Can I respectfully ask a question of some posters who are voting Corbyn but say they know nothing about Momentum.

I don't understand how so much information has been spoken of, coverage aired on T.V, interview after interview heard, news media coverage has taken ho!d since Corbyn became Leader some posters say they ' No Nothing' of Momentum and even more perplexed as to why they are 'Uninterested to Know' anything about Momentum. Why? Because Momentum is such a huge force in the shaping of the future of the Labour Party you are voting for under the Leadership of Corbyn.

If that is in all honesty true, and I am not going to challenge somebody's honesty, then don't you at least want to understand what issues surround Momentum as it is such a huge part of the Corbyn Team/ The Corbyn Engine . I thought posters have said they have have been to meetings/hustings , was there no Momentum presence there?

Mind you having heard from the horses mouth Momentum do not want their name involved/promoted in certain areas I wonder if you would know .

I fear for the future too, ww.

It seems unthinkable to us now that we could be plunged into some kind of global war, but people in the late 1920s/early 1930s thought the same.

I've read so many newspaper cuttings (both English and German) and diary extracts from the time. People really didn't think that WW2 was coming. Hindsight is a wonderful thing and they didn't have it, nor do we.

Except POGS that Jeremy Corbyn was democratically elected as leader, not chosen by a group of MPs to be the fall guy.

And right wing labour wasn't winning any elections before Jeremy Corbyn came along. New Labour was already dead in the water. People want something new. As it says in the article. But the 'moderates' haven't understood that yet.