Channel 4 Dispatches - Momentum Party

Pity posters here didn't understand it whitewave ,

But my point is annie is that can't run a country on lies. The business community would be very unhappy for a start. McDonnell clearly understands that.

whitewave, people will believe what they want to believe, how can you expect to get through to people who believed the lies of Boris?

You cannot change the views of people in areas of the north who feel swamped by immigrants ,

The problem with trying to discuss anything on this forum is if one tries to put forward the views of the very people who we needs to vote labour

When the living wage was discussed a few days ago I put forward what several small business people had said to me, immediately I came under fire and was accused of being a Tory.

In my opinion to have a discussion the views of everyone should be listened to , understood and discussed . I am 100% for the living wage but I understand the worries of small businesses

I know!!!!

Well they have been fed lies so why should the truth be more difficult?

How do you get the public to take notice of objective facts?

PS. You'd better think of a synonym for 're-education' or you'll get jumped on again .

What so many people complained about during the Brexit referendum was that truth was the first casualty.

The truth about immigration was one of the first. All I am saying is that objective facts should be made widely available.

Of course what the working class have experience over the past 6 years is almost entirely due to the rubbish that was Osbornomics. They have been fed the lie that there was no alternative and it was a price they had to pay for the crises caused by the wealthy bankers.

They looked at how their local surgery and school were under pressure from increased need. They were then fed the lie that it had nothing to do with Osbornes agenda of smaller state and Less available welfare ( we are still suffering from it e.g. NHS), but it was all due to the pressure from immigration. Never mind that their tax and vat contributions would have more than paid their way.

That's what I mean by reeducation -I am talking about objective facts.

I was referring to McDonald saying we do not have to whisper socialism anymore ,i never have

There was nothing Communist in McDonnell's speech, nor in anything I heard from Debbie Abrahams, Rebecca Long-Bailey or any of the other speeches I watched.

Re-learning was also top of the agenda in post-war Germany. Should it not have been?

Well if you believe that annie you also will have to include the probable next USA president. Her economic arguments could have been made by McDonnell and vis versa.

The public has been 're-educated' since 1979. Nothing to do with North Korea!

Given the number of people who claim not to be interested in politics or economics, but have a vote, it's about time they knew some facts.

Re-learning was a thing of Mao Zedong's regime, was it not?
Remember old McDonnell waving a little red book - as a joke! Not true and not funny.

Tony Blair brought in the minimum wage, sure start, working tax credits, paternity leave, the equality and human rights commission , civil partnerships, banned fur farming , cosmetic testing on animals and fox hunting, raised the number of youngsters gaining a university education, raised the number of nurses, gave workers the right to 24 day holidays a year, free breast screening for women 50 - 70 years of age, free entry to museums , free nusery places for 3 and 4 year olds , and many more achievements .

Obviously Corbynites didn't listen to Tom Watsons speech yesterday

I am proud I voted for all the above, i am proud to be a member of the Labour Party and unlike Mcdonald I have never had to whisper socialism . Sadly he is not aware of the difference between socialism and militancy / communism

Re-educate -I thought as soon as I posted it "open goal there"

However, now that you have got that out of your system, do you agree that immigration has made a positive contribution to the UK?

Corbyn just hasn't got the hang of disguising his true feelings yet - he seems to love a good glower!

The newspapers don't like Corbyn why should they print anything positive? If you can tell what people believe from their faces you are very clever. Tony Blair always smiled sweetly who knew that he was a warmonger?

The newspapers' are saying Corbyn snubbed Watson after his speech. I did notice Corbyn had that mulish look again; he really believes stubbornness is strength! Silly old fool!

So 60% of the Labour party are members of momentum Annie- if they are responsible for his election. When will you accept that there was no credible alternative candidate and go with the majority vote? If you say 'never' then I suggest despite your record you would be better not campaigning for the party just now. You have grievances and complaints which you need to sort out.
As the views of many people on immigration are probably drawn from the TV programmes condemning them it might be a good idea to have some balanced reporting and some information about immigrants in our health and welfare services. Call it re-education if you wish.

We have means of re educating you !

Roses, don't bring logic to the table , we have to be positive ,praise everything Corbyn says, seems I am swaying the entire voting population to vote Tory .

Thank God for Tom Watson , a deputy leader who cares for the party not his own ego, unlike the leader elected by momentum

Re educate? How exactly is this to be achieved? Overtones of North Korea methinks!!

as regards immigration, being free of the EU would mean that we can have as much or as little as we need, so why should any foreign builders etc not be available if we want them?

That 're-educate the voting public 'sentence......... sounds very chilling , rather like something you would find in the book 1984 ( maybe Orwell got the date a bit on the early side.)

Re educate the voting public, oh deary me

Really? I have only been in the building industry for about forty years, what would I know about the construction industry, employees rights , health and safety , minimum wage, rogue builders, rogue employers , employment of workers from Europe etc.

I must admit to envy for the firms where Eleothan lives, all those extensions built by immigrant workers springing up , all those 'men in the street' affording all those extensions , England must be so wealthy.

Anyway enjoy your admiration for Corbyn posts but I would ask, please don't canvass for the lsbour party, some responses would cause you such distress