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Apparently he said he'd 'look at it'. You can't presume anything. There are millions of self-employed, who fall into this trap and shouldn't be dismissed.
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Channel 4 Dispatches - Momentum Party
(513 Posts)Well that was interesting. I should say Panarama was also enlightening but not as forceful and uncompromisingly direct in it's reporting content as Dispatches.
I'm not going to simply post on the Lib Dem Thread which has turned into a Labour Thread as I think this programme summed up exactly what I have thought and have been posting since the formation of Momentum , it is a ' Party within a Party.'
I will say now to those who will see it as propaganda and take umbrage at my post you cannot argue with what you see and hear from the horses mouth, no matter how hard you might try and no doubt will.
The fact Momentum are doing all they can to play down the Momentum name in connection to the ' Jeremy for Labour ' Campaign , the use of the Unite Union office are significant, the way the reporter was paid is serious stuff and I hope there is further investigation into that. Will anybody take it up I wonder?.
Has anybody 'Cicked' on the ' Jeremy for Labour ' Campaign or answered questions on the phone in connection with it. The reason I ask is if you have you are, as I understood it, on the data base on the Jeremy For Labour Services?. Listen to what is said about it , you may not be too happy, or maybe you will of course.
There is to be fair a Momentum explanation and statement at the end of the programme but it is worth viewing to make your own mind up if you didn't catch it.
Small businesses will struggle, they have to pay a percentage of employees pension scheme so this will rise as well as a rise in wages and NIC contributions
Daphne, that's the present government's policy.
I presume they will change that as far as self-employed are concerned.
It's those employers who evade their responsibility as far as the employed are concerned who need to raise their game.
But as they are never going to get into Government, it's all pie in the sky.
I hope he realises that raising the minimum wage disadvantages the self-employed, who, with Universal Credit are assumed to have an income equivalent to working full-time for minimum wage. Many don't. He needs to be doing more than 'looking at' the way the benefits system works for the self-employed.
Policy proposals from McDonnell's speech.
Brexit.
Labour are/will work with social democratic colleagues across Europe to get the best deal for the UK
They will seek to protect workers jobs and have continued access to the single market on which so many of our jobs depend.
Labour recognises that the Financial Services are vital to our economic health, and will support the city, but they must never be allowed to repeat the disaster in 2008, and Labour will legislate to ensure that this can never happen again.
Aggressive tax avoidance will be challenged at every level and HMRC will be given the resources in order to do this.
Companies who take part in such aggressive avoidance will not as a matter of principle be awarded government contracts.
The tax burden will be rebalanced towards holders of wealth who have the ability to opt out of the tax system.
A National Investment Bank is to be set up with the mandate to work with entrepreneurs at regional level. This will include
Energy provision
Broad band provision
Transport
Labour recognises that SMEs have great difficulty in obtaining credit in order to build their business. The regional offices of the NIB will provide the credit they are seeking.
Company law will be changed in order that disasters like BHS will never happen. Companies will not be able to what get up excessive debt in order to pay their shareholders.
In any takeover Labour will legislate to ensure that workers pensions are protected.
Workers representatives will be able to sit on company boards.
Trade union law will be repealed.
Labour will make it easier for employees to have a stake in their company
Labour would like to see the cooperative sector grow to match that in the USA and Germany
Labour recognises that the welfare system does not properly serve the expanding self employed this will be looked at
Basic income will become a proper living wage but at the same time Labour recognises that aMEs may have difficulty in achieving this aim. Labour will consult with SMEs to provide a way forward
He then went on to outline how the world and globalisation is changing and how austerity is now recognised as having not achieved its aim of reducing debt. The U.K. Debt stands Pat £1.6trn and rising. Keynesian economics is now in the ascendency.
Labour will pursue a Kenysian strategy at both a macro and micro level.
How do you know whitewave is not a momentum member?
But you are not a momentum member whitewave so your vote would be based on your opinions of the candidates responses when they attend the selection meeting ,
I didn't know there were boundary changes in Liverpool but in fairness to the MP's when you have the communist party at the momentum meeting in Liverpool with banners calling for deselection of MP's not involved in boundary changes surely this is feeding the rift
Saying that Corbyn did not help the case for staying in the EU is wrong. This is what he did.
10 EU rallies, with speeches and meetings in London, Bristol, Stroud, Newquay, Perranporth, Cardiff, Blackpool, Bournemouth, Liverpool, Runcorn, Manchester, Truro, Sheffield, Widnes, Doncaster, Rotherham, Hastings, Brighton, Dundee, Aberdeen and Birmingham.
These included a meeting with student nurses in Birmingham, a factory in Runcorn, a clean beaches event in Truro and campaigning with activists in Scotland.
Launched the Labour In bus and the Ad Van.
A debate on Sky News with Faisal Islam, also talked about the EU on the Agenda and the Last Leg. Appeared on the Andrew Marr show twice and on Peston on Sunday.
Written two op-eds, one in the Observer and another in The Mirror.
Reached more than 10 million people on social media.
Six statements to the House of Commons and 10 PMQs on the EU.
He has been consistent on this issue from day one of his leadership, issuing a statement in September that “Labour will be campaigning in the referendum for the UK to stay in the European Union”."
Yes, he took a break in the middle of it, a long weekend because it was his birthday.
Perhaps if you started to try and spell John McDonnell's name properly, people might take you more seriously, Annie.
Don't bother telling me again why you call him the wrong name. I know that and it's childish.
Mind you I will be totally honest and say I would have huge difficult y in voting for Peter Kyle again -he has been so divisive 
But aren't the party members also members of the CLPs? I can't vote unless I attend those meetings can I?
Because whitewave it will depend on the party members not the constituency to choose a labour candidate , if momentum have more of their members they will choose a far left candidate no matter how good the present MP is
Principles and the Labour Party don't go hand in hand.
Just so as you know, give me £25 and I'll vote for you, along with a lot of other people.
What amused me is how you take politics so seriously. [grim]
No one can be deselected in the Labour Party. There is nothing in the rules t hat allows that. But if the boundary changes go through then some MPs will lose their seats. That's a matter of fact. They also have to go through a selection process as is usual in these circumstances as their seats will no longer exist.
The CLPs will, as is usual select the candidate they think is the best candidate. That is normal. Some MPs may be feeling very nervous about this process, and understandably so. However, if there is an excellent MP who has done Stirling work and represents his constituents well and strongly supports the Labour Party and its leadership, then why wouldn't they get selected?
Annie
You are quite right
The majority of voters are not homeless, disabled, unemployed
But a substantial number now have family who have been adversely affected by Tory policies. They have children with degrees who can't find jobs, have huge debts, and who come home because housing is so expensive They have elderly parents affected by the cuts in the NHS and social care. They have children who can't get into local schools. They are packed onto trains and pay through the nose for it.
They are looking for a party that will offer something better and some of them even have social consciences and care about the poor and the disabled. Middle England is not the safe and secure place it once was.
Yvette Cooper and Hilary Benn are not right wing, almost but not quite Tories .
Most definitely whitewave , I would work as hard for the party at the next election as I have for all elections over the last fifty years . I will not work for a far left militant party .
Why not give the MP's a vote in the shadow cabinet, there are approx sixty posts to be filled yet Corbyn refuses to include the MP's , it worked fine untill Milliband changed the rules five years ago . I am against the shadow cabinet being selected by only party members because the majority will not know who they are voting for
Corbyn is not reaching out to the MP's, he is saying work with me, get behind me but do not expect any say in how or where I lead the party
Eleothan, I don't want or expect to change anyine's opinion on Corbyn
Corbynites here refuse to discuss his weaknesses and rant whrn I do
Jen put a link to a campaign to support firemen , they have my full support , but why accuse the council which is demanding these twelve shifts of behaving as the Labour council did in Liverpool in the eighties yet if I condemn Corbyns part in dupporting these councillors I get attacked?
Do you really believe the country will vote for a far left government?
The majority of voters are not homeless, disabled, unemployed , are people in middle England going to vote for a far left government?
Momentum are now planning a campaign for the general election , labour MP's are being ignored , excluded , yes labour have many new members but lost many members who have stayed with the party through good and bad times.
I do not understand the reasoning here by Corbynites , Joe Cox was wonderful, her close friend Neil Kinnock who inspired Jo to join the Labour Party is mocked
The Manchester council are baddies yet I speak of the damage the likes of Derek Hatyon did and the fact Corbyn supported him and I am ranting
A labour MP in Liverpool is being threatened with deselection , why?
Broad left coalition might be the answer
How about forgetting labels and tribalism and going for the people who have been affected by austerity? After six years of a Coalition/Tory government, more people are beginning to see that they've been taken for a ride. I haven't a clue how many people are concerned about principles, but I do know that people care about the NHS, the schools their children/grandchildren go to, having a steady job, decent housing, an adequate safety net when times are really tough, etc etc.
There are indicators that traditional, working class Labour voters are veering towards Ukip, which could be a real threat in the Labour heartlands. Ukip knows how to use simplistic soundbites to appeal to such voters. Not everybody is persuaded by Corbyn's 'gentle politics' or Momentum's enthusiasm.
Labour now needs to put some padding on the principles with real down to earth policies. 75% of the electorate did not vote for the Conservatives. It's like an open goal with all the players running around practising their dribbling skills, rather than going for the goal.
If you need to look at how this works in practice Germany is a good model
Just to expand and give practical examples.
Remember steel in Wales. The Tories hung back and hung back but were eventually forced to step in. Well that's the sort of intervention Labour is talking about.
I'm going to start listing what is good about the LP.
1. Beginning to develop an economic policy. Talks with CBI taking place. Idea is to have a bank in which the government invests in order to expand and develop our industrial base.
The government will intervene if necessary to save what is considered essential industry in order to safeguard the UK security.
I shall look further into this at the academics who have/are developing this idea and report back.
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