Channel 4 Dispatches - Momentum Party

Don't care, Annie.
Doesn't have to be relevant in your terms. It's just a view of the conference by someone who was there with her students.

Sorry, can't see the relevance of the link, the lecturer had a few digs at people who are not far left though, why should there be any problems getting into rooms? It was the labour conference not the momentum conference

Here's an interesting view of the conference.

theconversation.com/what-my-students-saw-when-i-took-them-to-the-labour-party-conference-66218

A lecturer in public relations and politics took her students to the conference.
They didn't seem to have any problems getting into any of the rooms they wanted to see, and observed quite a lot of what went on.

I fear what is happening to the Labour party, the vice chairperson of Momentum eho was suspended from the party this year then later reinstated - anti semitism allegations - was recorded at a momentum training day saying she didn't know the definition of anti semitism, the holocaust dsy should be open for all - some in the group told her it was- she also said more gypsies then Jews were killed . There us call from Jewish groups fir her to be sacked.

So the vice chair of momentum doesn't know the definition of anti semitism and why do they have training days ? To rehearse 'You are the wind beneath my wings, I doubt it.

The case for full employment? ?

Send the thought police round. Now there's a job creation scheme because they're going to need a lot of them.

Re-educate them?

Corbyn doesn't want to force anyone to change their views on immigration.
He wants them to read, listen and work out for themselves that immigration is helpful to the UK.

I presume that even in Fenland some of the immigrants work in engineering and the NHS.

Corbyn cannot force people to change their views on immigration ,

But daphne Corbyn doesn't regognise that there is a problem. I know he gave a nod to it in his speech but I think he was pressured into that.

I agree with you, Jess. There's even muddled thinking about migrant workers. Some of them come to work in the NHS, schools, IT, engineering etc and, thank goodness they do, because we have chronic skills shortages. Generally, it seems that skilled workers don't suffer that much discrimination. They're not 'taking anybody's jobs' and are being paid the going rate in skilled jobs.

However, if you go into parts of Fenland, especially Boston (the highest voting Brexit area in the country), attitudes are different. Workers are often employed by agencies and do drive wages down. The agencies sometimes use a loophole, which allows them to pay 'local' (ie country of origin) rates, which is below the UK minimum wage. Their English is often poor and there's a tribal mentality amongst the immigrants themselves and local people. Waffly liberal talk is going to fall on deaf ears, so Corbyn is right to open the discussion about barriers to integration and do something about it.

Jess, I was speaking immigrants and free movement not refugees.

Well you'd be in a mess if they went elsewhere wouldn't you AB? You seem to be losing the plot a bit here.
There is a great deal of muddled thinking about immigrants, EU migrants, asylum seekers, refugees, and people whose families have been living here a while, who don't have white faces. The far right would like to get rid of all of them.
Surely what we need is an immigration system that meets the needs of the economy and the NHS, plus a government that makes sure that any negative impacts are mitigated (such as overcrowded schools or maternity wards). If we could have a system that also helped more than a tiny number of refugees from Syria etc that would also be a good thing, don't you think?
Seems we have the first but not the others at the moment. If there is pressure on school places (in a very few areas) then having a government that destroying LAs in England and preventing them from building ANY new schools is not helping is it? Neither is a government that is starving the NHS of money and getting rid of bursaries for nurses and midwives.

So all immigrants in the NHS arrived in this country recently and all still to arrive will all work in the NHS?

Why the accusation that employers are paying immigrants below the mimimum wage ?

The NHS does not pay below the minimum wage

Sorry but the NHS card has been played too often

We have two doctors in Our surgery, who are immigrants ,one from India , one from India , both been here over twenty years

According to the King's Fund, 20% of NHS staff are foreign born. Might please some if they all went home, particularly Jeremy Hunt.

About a quarter of doctors come from abroad. Hope they don't all go back where they came from.

You ought to get your facts right before you tell me to face facts.

fullfact.org/immigration/immigration-and-nhs-staff/

This is just EU. 10% of our doctors come from the EU.
55,000 staff from other EU countries.
Migrants haven't put a strain on the NHS, but they would do if they all left.

Jen, to obtain a ticket one has to apply, are you now claiming Labour Party staff were on a scam to keep the hall half empty, grow up Jen please,nyou are being fooled and used

I had my invite to apply for my ticket months ago , this is how it is done.

Jen, face facts please.

To help those who need help labour has to win power.

The msjority of the country do not want more immigrants,

They will vote for UKIP.

Yes immigrants work in hospitals but not thousands and thousands .

This is facing facts Jen, do you want to keep the children already living in poverty in poverty?

I am facing the reality of politics , you have to win the votes to form a government

If the Labour party doesn't stand up for immigrants, Annie, who will?
Your posts are getting sadder and sadder.

You don't look at voxpolitical, I know, but the link is revealing.
You seem to think that only momentum plot. However it shows the rightwingers do.
Their plan was to have taken lots of tickets for the centre of the hall and not turn up, so it would look like the hall was empty.

'So the right-wingers at the Labour Conference want to keep people out of the hall when Jeremy Corbyn is delivering his speech in order to make it seem as though he has no supporters.

After nearly 62 per cent of voters in the Labour Party gave him a landslide victory in a leadership election?

Wow.

And these are the people who are going to lead us to general election victory?

Please, if you’re attending conference, make sure this silly idea fails to get past the lobby.

If there’s a “shortage of tickets” and you’re told you can’t go in – demand proof that the hall is full. If it isn’t, then kick up a stink about it. Humiliate everybody involved – starting with the person who tried to stop you getting in. Demand to know who told them to do it, and then drag that person into it too. Go right up the chain until you find the ringleaders and expose them.

And tell every mainstream media hack about it, as well.

Then take your seat and enjoy the speech.'

A fairer country in a peaceful world. There we are, all problems sorted in an afternoon .

500 billion will be borrowed, this will bring voters over to Labour, and no matter the number of immigrants who moved to overcrowded cities, Jez will give extra money to dupport them , snother vote winner - not

He is garnering UKIP voters without UKIP having to do a thing.

When is this idiot man going to realise all cities are not like London, different people, different way of life

When I went to the conferences I was a party member and applied for my ticket. Those in the hall had to have tickets, the overspill was from the momentum conference hall, this is why there was an overspill, it was stage set. Dear god ,how can intelligent people be so taken in

The momentum hall was empty because they were there to listen to his speech. Isn't that what they were there for? Isn't that what you were there for whenever you went? To listen to the leader's speech?
Sad that you have to criticise them for that.