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Granny23 Wed 05-Oct-16 12:09:59

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/firms-must-list-foreign-workers-gw20ndp5x

Saw this report this am and my blood ran cold. Is this - lists of all foreigners - not the beginning of a very slippery slope which leads to yellow stars sewn on to clothing?

I'm wondering what constitutes a 'FOREIGNER'? Surely not my very good French born Scottish friend who has lived, worked, been married in the UK for nearly 50 years? Or the 3rd generation Asian Scots who run our local convenience store? Or the music teacher who coaches the Wee Community steel band - she's from the USA (and one of the drummers is (shock horror) German. Or the Syrian and Polish families now at school with my DGC. What about DH's Consultants? The last one was from New Zealand, the Current one is, I think, Indian. Will the Houses of Parliament have to list all the MPs and Lords who were born elsewhere.

Am I the only one to hear alarm bells ringing in my ears more loudly than usual? Have we reached a tipping point, where rampant British Nationalism is the only mantra?

whitewave Sat 08-Oct-16 17:04:29

I think the government would do well to look at all the foreign government employees before it targets private companies. It could begin by not employing any foreigner and then extending this policy to getting rid of existing ones.

If they need any assistance I would like to refer them to the edicts from the Reichstag April 1933.

Ana Sat 08-Oct-16 16:45:22

What rhetoric are you talking about, whitewave?

whitewave Sat 08-Oct-16 16:10:55

Myths help to unit. The trick is to recognise that the rhetoric is based on myth.

trisher Sat 08-Oct-16 15:32:46

Step 4 is of course the creation of ghettos and the removal of workers to "labour camps".
Jalima is it scaremongering to remember the very same things were done not such a long time ago? I had a German friend who openly admitted that her mother was a Hitler supporter. She said her mother was terrified that the starvation she had experienced after WW1 would return and that Hitler presented a solution to the economic problems. Blaming the Jews for the economic problems was part of this, much as there is now an attempt to blame migrant workers in this country.
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana. The Life of Reason

nigglynellie Sat 08-Oct-16 13:49:20

I remember when I was at school in the fifties that Father Trevor Huddleston was invited to talk to us all at a special assembly. Unfortunately I was only about 13, so I can't really remember the talk, but I do remember him taking High Mass on Sunday and taking the time to chat to some of us. He was I think a very kindly man.

Anniebach Sat 08-Oct-16 12:45:06

Jalima, my friend was studying here, he may have been one of those students , I was invited to meet Arch Bishop Tutu when he came here after the end of apartheid , tea in a tent ?. My friend was murdered in Pretoria prison and I was so pleased he was remembered all those years later

durhamjen Sat 08-Oct-16 12:44:10

edgar1981.blogspot.co.uk/2015/04/which-british-political-party-is-most.html

durhamjen Sat 08-Oct-16 12:42:53

Why is it only the Labour Party that gets mentioned as being anti-semitic?
At least they produced a report. Still waiting for the Tory one.

petra Sat 08-Oct-16 12:33:48

Identification badges! It's almost laughable.

Jalima Sat 08-Oct-16 12:30:09

Are these actual plans, trisher? Do you have inside information?

Or are such posts as these imaginative scaremongering?

Mind, you, nothing would surprise me, particularly the way the Labour Party is whitewashing its anti-semitism these days.

Jalima Sat 08-Oct-16 12:23:37

It must have been later than 1957, I was older as far as I remember!

rosesarered Sat 08-Oct-16 12:21:10

What is step 4 Trisher ( in your view?)

Jalima Sat 08-Oct-16 12:17:23

anniebach I can remember Desmond Tutu coming to our church along with other students from Cambridge, that would have been about 1957.

trisher Sat 08-Oct-16 12:04:47

There is a difference between knowing which firms have more than 25% foreign workers and listing the workers.
Step 1- Listing
Step 2 Identification badges
Step 3 Restrict movement of IDed workers.
Step 4 is too horrible to contemplate.

Galen Sat 08-Oct-16 11:01:11

I actually campaigned for labour in Smethwick in that campaign. A group of us from Birmingham university drove over and went door door to door.
It was the only time in my life I have been politically active, and I've been Tory ever since. That was a one-off..

Anniebach Sat 08-Oct-16 10:18:27

1960 I was dating a black South African , relatives in Watford asked me not to take him to their home. What was so strange was we were treated differently if he was wearing his dog collar

Anya Sat 08-Oct-16 09:09:39

Where I lived previously was a thriving market garden industry. It was seasonal and thus many locals wouldn't take the jobs because they either wanted full time work or because it was sheer hard grind.

So the companies relied on Spanish workers who came for the summer season and were housed on site in caravans and the odd, intrepid student who wanted summer work. Without them the crops would've lain in the fields and greenhouses, unpicked. That didn't stop a certain element moaning that 'they' we're taking 'our jobs'.

I don't see this altering unless these workers feel unwelcome and choose to take their skills elsewhere. And that would be disastrous.

obieone Sat 08-Oct-16 08:29:17

I actually think in life, it goes around in circles rather than be a straight line "forward" a lot of the time.

Education [totally controlled, back to "free" schools], religion[house churches to very controlled by the "top"], and attitudes to many issues.

I think it is a big mistake to think that thoughts and ideas are long gone.

whitewave Sat 08-Oct-16 08:05:36

I can't believe that we are having this conversation!!!
It does however show how entrenched some views are and not so easily changed as many hoped.

Eloethan Sat 08-Oct-16 01:34:39

petra I think the poster illustrates what many people privately thought about non-white people in the 60's and early 70's. It is very sad and worrying to see these sorts of sentiments creeping back into our country again.

All the film footage I have seen of ska and reggae clubs in the 60's show black and white clientele so you must have been extremely unlucky.

I started my first job in 1967 in the general office of a psychiatric hospital. Then, as now, there were many overseas student and trained nurses and I can recall on many occasions challenging two of the young men in the office about their racist (and homophobic) attitudes and remarks. My slightly older work colleague said her husband didn't really like her working at the hospital because of the all the blacks there. My views, whilst tolerated, were considered rather eccentric at that time.

daphnedill Sat 08-Oct-16 00:52:15

They weren't shocked. Although the Conservatives denied producing them, Peter Griffiths, who won the Smethwick seat for the Conservatives (beating Labour), said, "I should think that is a manifestation of popular feeling. I would not condemn anyone who said that."

After the election, an official policy of racial segregation was put into place in Smethwick's housing allocation, with houses on Marshall Street in Smethwick being let only to white British residents. The Tory-led and fully white British council decided to buy vacant houses to prevent "coloureds" from buying the houses, claiming the area had been "completely taken over by immigrants". (Wiki)

Bluecat Sat 08-Oct-16 00:22:21

Well, I'm old enough to remember the 1964 election...though I was only 11 at the time. That poster is actually the refined version - the saying was, "If you want a n****r for a neighbour, vote Labour."

Have we really moved on? Increasing numbers of racially-motivated attacks suggest otherwise, though now you don't have to be black or brown to be attacked - a foreign accent seems to have been enough to trigger violence against people from Eastern Europe.

It's a sad, sad world.

durhamjen Sat 08-Oct-16 00:13:04

inews.co.uk/essentials/news/education/parents-call-racist-country-birth-request-policy-schools-scrapped/

Some people are fighting against it.

Hope you are okay, smileless.

petra Fri 07-Oct-16 16:22:32

That poster made me think back to 1964 and where I was. Still at home in Woolwich with black neighbours, a black friend who took me to my first Ska club where I wasn't allowed in because I was white ( there's irony for you) my fathers best friend, black.
I can't equate to this poster, or the attitude we were supposed to have at all.

Jalima Fri 07-Oct-16 16:03:37

53 years ago Granny23
Some Grans on here are not that old!

We have moved on since then