nigglynellie this is why I don't bother to post on these threads any more. You are trying to reason with some who have a fixed mindset. To enter into debate people have to be willing to 'listen' to any others point of view and then put forward a reasoned arguement which might persuade their fellow debater to move their stance.
What we have here insults such as 'you are obviously fortunate to live in a parallel universe.....' and taunts like 'you giving up again'.
This is why the political threads are avoided by those, of all political persuasions, except a hardy few. In real life you would excuse yourself and just walk away from anyone who talked like that.
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Oh, I give up too, nellie!