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Council Tax - why do seniors have to pay the full amount?

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Spot Thu 20-Oct-16 14:46:20

I think the policy of allowing a 50% reduction in Council Tax for disabled people, even if they work full time, yet allowing no reduction for people in receipt of State Retirement Pension is appalling.

What do you think?

daphnedill Sat 22-Oct-16 09:40:45

By far the biggest slice of council tax goes to education. The next biggest is vulnerable adults and older people. Those two cost twice as much as everything else combined.

I don't see why age (rather then ability to pay) should make people eligible for discounts.

jenpax Sat 22-Oct-16 09:33:26

Claim the discount if you don't feel you should have it donate the funds to a charity the money will then benefit actual people rather than just going back into the council coffers!

annodomini Sat 22-Oct-16 09:18:09

Short answer to the OP question.

Why shouldn't we seniors pay full Council Tax? I accept that street lighting, parks, and the library have to be paid for.

Badenkate Sat 22-Oct-16 08:43:47

I did a short temp job data inputting with a company which provided dental insurance. It amazed me the difference there was in cost between different areas for the same dental plan - more than trebling the cost/month in some cases

M0nica Sat 22-Oct-16 07:56:00

Phoenix you are fortunate to have such a wide choice of supermarkets to use.

My local shopping town has a town centre Waitrose of a reasonable size and a small co-op. There is a large inconvenient out of town Tesco and that is it. We have a small Co-op in the village which I use for any top-up shopping

To use Sainsburys or Aldi I have to make an extra 10 mile round trip by car to one of two towns I do not shop usually in. As far as I know there is no Asda, Morrisons, Lidl or Iceland within 30 miles.

However, as I live in a rural area there are an abundance of farm shops, 2 producer/butchers and an excellent bakery. All much closer than any of the supermarkets so I do not buy any of my fresh meat or bread in a supermarket and only a few of my vegetables because I grow my own.

Zandra01 Sat 22-Oct-16 07:46:03

Not sure what young or old have to do with it. Many of us have worked all our lives and are still working todate (37 years)and paid into the system and earned our pensions state and private so I think we should get whatever discounts avaliable

Shanma Sat 22-Oct-16 00:06:57

Very funny clip Daphne. I love it grin. I shop at Aldi and Sainsbury by the way

phoenix Sat 22-Oct-16 00:04:07

My regularly used supermarkets are Morrison's, Lidl & Waitrose, so pick the bones out of that!grin

Lidl steak tastes better than Waitrose, Morrison's special noodles with veg are just brill, Waitrose chilli noodles are good and micro wavable, Morrison's have a better range of skin care, toiletries & hair colours, Lidl cat food pouches are unbeatable on price, and the boys actually eat them!shock, Lidl cauliflower is cheaper than either Morrison's or Waitrose, but they don't sell loose carrots, by that I don't mean badly behaved veg with low morals, rather that they are only sold in bags, so not much good if you only want one or two.

M0nica Fri 21-Oct-16 23:31:03

I did not say that all Aldi food tasted disgusting or was a con. I said the items I had eaten which I knew came from Aldi tasted disgusting or were a con, which is something entirely different.

If I have not enjoyed the items from a shop that I have tasted, why should I put myself to considerable inconvenience and extra cost to make a special visit to a town I do not normally shop in to buy more of their products, which may be entirely acceptable, but may not.

DaphneBroon Fri 21-Oct-16 23:06:22

That's a bit cheapskate of the monied pensioners caretaker was inveighing against.

annodomini Fri 21-Oct-16 23:01:48

Bad news is that you won't get a free paper in Waitrose unless you spend £10 and not just at weekends. And I think you will have to have shopped before you can have your free coffee. I know that there are some people of my acquaintance who claim their coffee and have no intention of buying anything.

Nelliemoser Fri 21-Oct-16 22:34:33

Aldi have a lot of excellent foodstuffs. Their Greek feta cheese is better than that of any of the other supermarkets. They have a fantastic range of frozen deserts in a German style lovely fruit tarts etc.
My local Waitrose is not far away but it not in a direction I usually go.
Home Bargains do a really good quality museli. It beats the cheap and awful Alpen and most other brands.

DaphneBroon Fri 21-Oct-16 22:05:29

Monica, your comments about Waitrose v Aldi just scream out for this wonderful clip of Michael McIntyre.
Enjoy!! gringrin

www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwAKsADk-aQ

Ana Fri 21-Oct-16 21:39:07

(sorry, my thlgrin was to Caretaker but it might just as easily apply to your post, Deeda!)

Rigby46 Fri 21-Oct-16 21:37:35

Aldi's alcohol range comes out well in tastings- I've been bought their London Gin and some decent wines. At Christmas, I've also had their panettone, stollen and mince pies - yummy.

Ana Fri 21-Oct-16 21:37:26

thlgrin

Deedaa Fri 21-Oct-16 21:36:49

My MIL who, as I have mentioned earlier, was on Pension Credit always made me do her shopping at Waitrose. Her week's groceries - basic branded products cost around £30. She wouldn't have any thing from Aldi or Lidl because "I wouldn't like it"

I do most of my shopping in Aldi because it's just round the corner and their foreign stuff is better than the big supermarkets (Lid's Italian range is the best, but Lidl is further away) I shop in Waitrose for odd things that I can't get in Aldi (and because I get discount there grin ) I buy bottles of wine in both of them - not sure what that makes me?

Caretaker Fri 21-Oct-16 21:34:27

Hoy you lot I only past on what my sister told me. No one has ever left me or my wife a penny everything we have we have worked for and still continue to to work part time. We only shop at Aldi or Lidl. A lot of pensioners are well off and like the rest of society there are a lot who are not. Wind you necks in you are all too so high and mighty, Not like me of course.

annsixty Fri 21-Oct-16 21:23:15

I used the wrong word there so I apologise for that but to say that the food you have been given tastes absolutely disgusting or is a con denigrates the taste buds and the wisdom of shopping at Aldi of the rest of us.
If you had posted that the reason for not shopping there was pure convenience and not because you probably feel Aldi is downmarket, I would have understood ,but you didn't.

M0nica Fri 21-Oct-16 21:01:03

What is snobby about what I said? I have no objections to shopping in Aldi, but as my experience has been that I would not enjoy their products and the nearest Aldi is 5 miles away in a town where I do not usually shop. What is the point in spending all that extra money on petrol, to get to the shop, thus negating any savings I would make, to buy products I may not enjoy. This branch of Aldi is not convenient for the town centre as there is a busy road between it and the main shopping area. I would probably need to make the journey by car and the hassle of visiting it makes it not worth the trouble.

I really cannot see what is snobbish about that.It is a rational decision based on doing my shopping as quickly and as efficiently as possible.

annsixty Fri 21-Oct-16 20:39:45

What a snobby thing to say M0nica I have shopped at Aldi for 2 years now and apart from one or two things I have had no problem with their food. Many of my friends and neighbours are converts.

M0nica Fri 21-Oct-16 20:28:09

I have never shopped at Aldi because every item of food I have been given which I knew came from them has tasted absolutely disgusting or been a con.

I do not find Waitrose significantly more expensive than other supermarkets when I occasionally visit them. It depends what you buy, stick to their Essentials range and it is competitive with the other supermarkets. The difference is that some of their food is better quality than elsewhere and therefore costs more.

I shop in Waitrose because it is in the town centre and their car park offers one and a half hours free parking. I can do the weeks food shopping, visit the bank or get my hair cut, collect shoe repairs, browse through several clothes shops, go to the library all without having to pay for parking or drive from place to place. It saves petrol, time and hassle.

Wobblybits Fri 21-Oct-16 20:13:13

Waitrose = Posh Lidl = working class

Therefore Jalima, you must be middle class --- simples!

GrandmaMoira Fri 21-Oct-16 20:05:25

I'm a widow and my NHS pension is not very big but I pay very little tax and no N.I. so my income is not so much less than when working. Apart from free prescriptions and bus pass, both of which save quite a lot, many places give concessions. My hairdresser charges £22 for a cut and £14 for over 65s, some pubs/restaurants give pensioner discounts at lunchtime, B&Q give discount on Wednesdays, some charity shops give 25% discount and adult education concessions (in some areas).
Most of my savings have gone on maintaining my house but I think I'm better off than many young families and pensioner couples are better off than me. I think most pensioners do OK these days.
Oh, and you can still get a student loan to study at the Open University or other degree level course.

Jalima Fri 21-Oct-16 20:01:15

I shop at Lidl
I also shop at Waitrose

I got an £8 voucher off £40 for Waitrose the other week.
Together with other discounts, a coffee and a free newspaper the shop came to less than my normal weekly spend.

I went to Lidl and bought some little presents for the DGD, a cardigan, DH bought some DIY thing or other, so it came to more than my normal weekly spend.
I also bought some stuff to take over to the food bank across the road.
So in fact about £30 more than usual
shock