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Council Tax - why do seniors have to pay the full amount?

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Spot Thu 20-Oct-16 14:46:20

I think the policy of allowing a 50% reduction in Council Tax for disabled people, even if they work full time, yet allowing no reduction for people in receipt of State Retirement Pension is appalling.

What do you think?

CardiffJaguar Fri 21-Oct-16 19:59:15

It may be useful here to add that the BB can be issued for a mix of disabilities some of which are not obvious. Just look at some of the claims for DLA which admittedly cover a wider range but not being able to walk is just one.

As for paying council tax then it is the elderly who rely more on council services, in general, so why a discount? And for all those who argue about the ones who have no money worries to resolve that can only be done by means testing which is destructive and very costly.

michellehargreaves Fri 21-Oct-16 19:56:27

I think that sensible pensioners shop at Aldi, Lidl and Iceland. Waitrose my friendly (yet grasping and expensive ) local store, has persuaded me to take the 10 minute (albeit freedom pass ) train to Lidl rather than the 5 minute walk to Waitrose. Why? It's easy to spend £25.00 on very little at Waitrose, and actually difficult to spend as much as £25.00 on two full bags of goodies at Lidl. Plus, lugging two full bags of groceries home must be good for my core strength. I rest my case.

Eloethan Fri 21-Oct-16 18:57:18

People who shop in Waitrose are not necessarily representative of the general population. The prices are higher there and I would imagine most people on a very limited budget would go somewhere cheaper.

Ana Fri 21-Oct-16 18:55:31

That's a lot, Peaseblossom! I pay around £12 per month to Denplan which is bad enough as you only get a 20% discount on treatment.

Perhaps you should check which plan you're signed up to as I know they vary in price.

Peaseblossom Fri 21-Oct-16 18:38:59

I am on Denplan and seriously thinking of stopping it as the next year (and it goes up every year!) will cost me £8.44 per week which is outrageous. I am 65 and got made redundant about 4 months ago after working as a Secretary in an Estate Agents for 9 years.

M0nica Fri 21-Oct-16 18:01:48

I shop regularly in Waitrose and I have not noticed much alcohol in other people's shopping, regardless of their age. I think the income of older people shopping in Waitrose may well be higher than average, although, if how people dress is any guide, the income and age of people shopping in my local Waitrose are pretty evenly spread across all income levels. This is the problem the customer profile and spending patterns in any chain of shops will vary from store to store for myriad reasons.

I hate silly generalisations from a sample of 1.

annodomini Fri 21-Oct-16 17:35:34

What tosh, caretaker. I'm often in Waitrose - my corner shop - and often meet other pensioners there. I am equally likely to run into them in Aldi as we are all cost-conscious. I have never seen any of them with a trolley full of bottles in either supermarket. The young professionals of my acquaintance are more likely to stock up with bottles of wine - the poor dears live such pressurised lives!

SueDonim Fri 21-Oct-16 17:21:31

I guess if your sister works in Waitrose she won't see all the pensioners in Aldi buying their meagre supplies of gruel, Caretaker. grin

Spot Fri 21-Oct-16 17:20:44

Well, again it could be different local authorities, but I'm pretty sure when you get your State Retirement Pension you will get a free bus pass. I just got mine, and I was surprised. But I can only use it in England not Wales or Scotland

Spot Fri 21-Oct-16 17:17:56

I wouldn't. I've worked most of my life,paid taxes, so I would expect to get something back now my earnings have dropped to Retirement Pension.

Spot Fri 21-Oct-16 17:14:18

Perhaps it's different local authorities then

Ana Fri 21-Oct-16 16:41:56

Caretaker, you do come out with some strange comments! grin

Elegran Fri 21-Oct-16 16:37:13

I think Riley and co must all shop at Waitrose, db The pensioners at the Iceland and Lidl checkouts don't seem to have come into their inheritances yet.

DaphneBroon Fri 21-Oct-16 15:32:12

Well that is reassuring caretaker! confused
My bottles make no sound as the nice man in Waitrose usually gives me a box to put my bottles in, in my trolley. But remind me to chase up my inheritance, it seems to have gone AWOL.
Out of interest, what was Riley's life like?

Caretaker Fri 21-Oct-16 15:19:18

My sister who works in Waitrose tells me she can hear the pensioners coming to the check out long before she sees them, they are the one's with bottle after bottle of wine.
Most (not all) pensioners have inherited money and live the life of Reily.

Legs55 Fri 21-Oct-16 14:51:50

I am 61 & unable to work, I gave up work at 50 (early retirement from Civil Service) I am currently on Employment & Support Allowance (Income based) so they subtract my Pension from any Benefit. Fortunately I also get Personal Independence Payment (was Disability Living Allowance or DLA), to my surprise I was also awarded extra money as no-one claims Carers Allowance (first time I've been given a Benefit without asking) which is to cover expenses for care when I need it.

Prescriptions I haven't paid for since 2003 as I had an Exception Certificate (Epilepsy & now Diabetes Type 2)

NHS Dentist - don't pay because of Benefit. Eye Tests - always got vouchers from Boots - now free & voucher towards new glasses.

Downside of Pension Age rise is no Bus Pass but buy Senior Rail Card - 1 trip to Yorkshire from Devon - saving £50 smile

Don't pay Council Tax (Band A Property) & get Housing Benefit both which I had to apply for & prove Income & Savings.

I couldn't manage to live or pay my bills without my various Benefits - no wealthy Pensioner here (phoenix I might be coming to borrow helmet & flack jacket ) grin

Anya Fri 21-Oct-16 14:16:59

Meant radicalnan

Anya Fri 21-Oct-16 14:16:13

Totally agree radicalgran

Ana Fri 21-Oct-16 13:51:19

Oh yes, I see what you mean. I think Foxyferret meant to post on the 'How much mney/Savings' thread.

MaizieD Fri 21-Oct-16 13:35:20

Well, that's what I thought Ff was referring to, Ana, but I couldn't connect it to any previous posts.

SueDonim Fri 21-Oct-16 13:22:26

I believe it is worth still claiming Child Benfit even if it is clawed back via the tax system, because any non-working parent will then get credited with NI contributions which will count towards their state pension. You can claim that until the child is 12yo.

cc Fri 21-Oct-16 13:21:14

People who (individually) earn more than £50,000 are no longer entitled to Child Benefit. However a couple who each earn £49,999 are still entitled. The whole system is quite barmy....

Ana Fri 21-Oct-16 13:14:28

The 7 year rule applies from when the gift/transaction took place. They have to live for at least 7 years afterwards to avoid penalties such as Inheritance Tax.

MaizieD Fri 21-Oct-16 12:53:44

What '7 year thing', ff?

kittylester Fri 21-Oct-16 12:53:39

I think child benefit is taxed and, therefore, might not be worth claiming for higher rate tax payers.