What do you suggest Anniebach? Should we continue with previous policies that failed to attract voters to such an extent that we lost Scotland?
Blair lied to the House of Commons and the country about WMD. He even hid information from his own Cabinet because he thought they might vote against him if they knew the truth. Do you really want another PM with his distain for the House and electorate?
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(376 Posts)They appear to have agreed that the stopping of welfare benefits has killed people.
www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=351394091875093&id=100010135152763&pnref=story
What do you think?
From Jack Monroe.
According to the latest available estimates from political parties’ head offices, press releases and media estimates • The Labour Party has around 517,000 members, as of end of March 2017. • The Conservative Party had 149,800 members as of December 2013, the latest available estimate published by CCHQ. • The Scottish National Party has around 120,000 members, as of July 2016. • The Liberal Democrat Party has 82,000 members, as of February 2017. • The Green Party (England and Wales) has 55,500 members, as of July 2016. • UKIP has around 39,000 members, as of July 2016. • The Plaid Cymru has 8,273 members, as of July 2016.
researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN05125/SN05125.pdf
Obviously a failing party.
As to the non biased media I suggest you look at this research by the London School of Economics.
www.lse.ac.uk/media@lse/research/pdf/JeremyCorbyn/Cobyn-Report-FINAL.pdf
If you think it's too long I suggest you simply read the conclusion.
Keep supporting Corbyn and the far left Jen and nothing will chsnge. A vote for Corbyn is a vote for the Tory government
Hope you are all going to watch Panorama tonight, about families who are going to be left with £2 a month for their rent.
Again true Niggly.
Beam, I certaintly an no fan of .tebbit the politician but I didn't see a Tory MP, I saw a human being looking close to death being carried on a stretcher and I wept
Oh, Annie's well used to it, Beammeup...
Be careful my dear. To show sympathy for Norman Tebbit is an invitation to call down the Wrath of the Furies.
The far left and the far right are certainly very dogmatic, that's for sure, no attempt to see another person's point of view, no give and take in any shape or form, their views are correct, no argument, no conversation, you agree or somehow you are completely beyond the pail!
Beam, I didn't know, it was a shock that anyone could be so unfeeling, I wept when I saw Tebbit brought out of the hotel , so grey, and we can't forget there were hotel staff too.
I didn't know about the invitation to the IRA; pretty bad. I have come to the conclusion that the far left and the far right have much in common. All as mad as Hatters.
Niggly, you are so right, and some think Corbyn can win votes of Tory voters .
Beam, those who left the shadow cabinet when Corbyn became leader were people who worked daily with him and knew how far left he was, I voted the first time for him, if I had known he had worked to bring expelled militants back into the party whilst we grassroots labour members worked for years to convinced voters we were not far left , no way would I have voted for him, and I didn't know untill I was told on this forum he invited the IRA to Westminster weeks after the Brighton bombing, that was a disgrace, people in Westminster were grieving and still in shock, that was a vile act by Corbyn .
Corbyn is Labour's nemesis. If he was any good, the Press wouldn't lampoon him so much. If he was any good, all those parliamentarians would not have rebelled. If he was any good he wouldn't need the protection of a bunch of loonie-lefty-ladies. If he was any good, he would have the decency to give the party back to the middle-ground. I am afraid he is very bad on many counts.
Nowt so queer as folk annie! I suppose TB has been so tarred with the Iraq war brush to the extent that it eliminated quite unfairly a lot of the other excellent things he achieved that you rightly pointed out. If Labour is to win an election it will, as you said, have to woo middle England which TB did so successfully, i.e. people on the middle/ left of the conservative party like me who could be, and nearly were swayed. At the moment, no chance!!!
So you think what is happening to labour is nothing to do with the right wing press?
skwawkbox.org/2017/04/04/mcdonnell-flags-tory-20bn-tax-giveaway-press-runs-attacks-on-labour/
Exactly Beam, I am baffled by the claims labour was right wing during the Blair years, we had the minimum wage, sure start, education and NHS improved , human rights act, freedom of information act, Good Friday agreement, devolution , tax credits and more , yet by the far left here he is failed leader, - who won three elections
Corbyn seems to have a core support base from benefit claimants. Ironically, as Annie says, this will not put the Labour Party in power at any time now or in the future to provide a bigger financial support to benefit claimants.
Unless you woo the middle-classes (as Tony Blair et al cleverly did) Labour is wasting it's time.
True Niggly, now we have MP's who only entered the house in 2015 and tv interviews we only hear McDonald, Thornberry or Abbott , there are good MP's on the back benches but we don't hear from them,
the idiot Corbyn sacked Hilary Benn and replaced him with Emily Thornberry who was sacked by Milliband for mocking a house in an estate with rather a lot of English flags in the Windows. The same woman on being asked why she was against grammer schools when she had her children privately educated replied - I want the best fir my children and all children. The late Jo Cox gave an interview shortly before her death and say she had made a mistake voting for Corbyn
The country will not vote for Corbyn, Thornberry and Abbott.
Trouble is you never seem to hear from any of the opposition benches or only in the weakest most ineffectual way! I think a lot of people simply don't know who they are!! In the old days, whether you voted from them or not we all knew of George Brown, Roy Hattersley, Dennis Healey, Jim Callahan, John Smith, Neil Kinnock or whoever, now, they don't even begin to be pale imitations of these statesmen, with whom you might not agree, but you certainly admired as proper politicians and who did a proper job of either governing or opposing. Listening to JC and his merry bunch is both depressing and at times embarrassing!
He is Petra, but expect the right wing Tory press to be accused of making this up.
The far left will defend him , do they realy believe he will move into No 10? No and they don't care, they are close to turning the Labour Party into a militant movement, they can march and banner wave and bash the Tories , and praise the likes of Galloway and McClusky .
Another of his shadow cabinet is to stand down
anniebach I've read several times that Corbyn is the worst rated labour leader ever.
Then if Corbyn is so how come thousands hsve now left the party, how come he is the most unpopular party leader in many,many years. How come the far left lost the election in 1983 with such a disasterous result, how come there has been no viable oposition under previous leaders , Blair win three elections.
The country does not want a far left government, some still remember the refuge in the streets, the dead unburied ,
Momentum , the far left and the communists or a centre party ? Nothing to do with the Tory media, if every labour member voted twice for Corbyn it would not change the fact the country will not vote for a far left party and what counts at an election are the votes from across the country , north, south and middle .
How come so many long time party members are leaving the party?
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