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MaizieD Mon 31-Oct-16 11:17:50

Very interesting article about T May. Forgive me if it's been posted before.

I think that the author is proposing that the Murdoch media have been superseded by the Daily Mail in setting the agenda for 'British' and that Theresa May is a product and perpetrator of its agenda.

www.opendemocracy.net/uk/anthony-barnett/daily-mail-takes-power-0

The Daily Mail takes power
Anthony Barnett 5 October 2016

After 25 years in politics Theresa May has no obvious connections to any think tank. She shows no interest in ideas. Asked by Conservative Home in a Quick Quiz session to choose between Burke’s “Reflections on the Revolution in France” or Louise Bagshawe’s “Desire”, she replied, “I wouldn’t read either of them, sorry.” The prime minister who faces arguably the Kingdom’s deepest constitutional predicament since George III was driven from the Cabinet by the loss of the American colonies dismissed out of hand the idea that she might ever turn to the pages of Burke, even though as a student she had chaired a society named after him.

As the country faces an unprecedented concatenation of economic, strategic, diplomatic and constitutional uncertainty, the woman at the helm seems devoid of intellectual resources. The one decision she has definitely taken is to give the go ahead to Hinkley Point C nuclear power station, a boondoggle incapable of justification by any criteria of integrity. The Pharaohs built their own pyramids, Theodoric built his own mausoleum. But these were designed as monuments to generate the admiration of posterity. Surely only an idiot would make their first decision the go-ahead for a colossal radioactive tombstone to her regime.

But Theresa May should not be dismissed as an idiot. There is a striking and potentially formidable coherence to the general direction she has set for her new government, evidenced by the self-confidence of her ministers who remarkably quickly are singing from the same song-sheet. She does seem to have a clear ideology refreshingly different from her predecessors. Where has it come from?

The answer is The Daily Mail. On Sunday in her first speech to her party as its leader, she set out her view of Brexit and announced that she intends to trigger Article 50 to start the UK’s withdrawal from the EU before March. This was a moment of upmost gravity, to recognise and measure the immense divisions that have been opened up within the country, and consider the implications for the entire continent that Britain once helped liberate from fascism. Instead, her tone, brevity and apparent practicality were drawn as if directly from a Daily Mail editorial.

Intelligent comments section, too.

durhamjen Mon 16-Jan-17 20:29:34

Someone I know from Denmark has just moved to Poland with his wife and two daughters. None of them speak Polish and do not have t, just as when they lived in Ireland or Spain, a lack of the language did not stop them having jobs.

Mair Mon 16-Jan-17 20:47:25

But immigration to Poland remains rare, mostly if someone marries a Pole, or ESOl teachers who go there as temporary migrants.

JessM Mon 16-Jan-17 21:05:37

In my experience managers in offices would always prefer a UK candidate. This is often quite unconscious - it's easier to manage someone when there is not a cultural divide.
You can even get regional bias within the UK. I knew someone once who was refused a post of head of maths in a London school. When he rang to ask why the Head said it was he didn't think his strong Welsh accent would go down well with the parents!!! (this was just before discrimination legislation was enacted)
However when managers are struggling to recruit they are quite happy to appoint people with good english from any country. In IT they are normally trying to recruit people at a particular level of skill and knowledge. So of course if they have a bunch of Brits who have not got the essential skills and knowledge, they'll recruit a Pole or an Indian if they do.
I once tried to help a manager appoint a software tester. We went through a lot of applicants and every single one of them was Indian. This is because India produces so many computer science graduates and we produce far too few. We produce far fewer computer science graduates than we do doctors!

daphnedill Mon 16-Jan-17 21:24:30

...and physicists!

Those we do produce generally don't take long to emigrate to the US.

durhamjen Mon 16-Jan-17 21:25:47

No, neither of them are teachers, both office workers.

durhamjen Mon 16-Jan-17 21:29:22

Jess, when I had a guest house in York, most of the IT workers from Nestle that came to stay were from Bangalore. They were learning what to do at the factory, then going back to Bangladesh to train others.

whitewave Mon 16-Jan-17 21:32:11

Folk from India as well did the same

rosesarered Mon 16-Jan-17 21:33:41

There are plenty of British physicists living and working in my county dd some may do temporary placements in the US or Switzerland, but it's a sweeping statement to say they soon emigrate to the US!

daphnedill Mon 16-Jan-17 21:34:36

I remember when the first Poles started arriving in schools. We threw our hands up in despair, because we didn't really know what to do with these pupils who couldn't speak English.

We shouldn't have worried. It didn't take them long to acquire functional English. Their parents often worked in jobs below their skill and experience level. Like many first generation immigrants, they worked their socks off and lived in cramped conditions.

Nevertheless, they had a disadvantage in the job market. Their English was still developing and they didn't have the advantage of networks. Maybe those who moaned and groaned should have upped their game and asked themselves how people could succeed when they had such a handicap.

Over the last ten or so years, they have contributed to GDP and paid taxes and NI. On the whole, they are young, healthy and ambitious. The country is better off as a result of their contribution.

whitewave Mon 16-Jan-17 21:37:06

Scientists from all disciplines are often head hunted by American Companies. My daughter seriously contemplated moving to Philadelphia I think it was, but after much thought decided to bring the children up in England.

daphnedill Mon 16-Jan-17 21:42:32

Oh really, roses? Which county is that?

How many young physicists do you know?

My daughter (24) had four friends who went on to do physics at uni. All continued to PhDs. Three of the four now live abroad, one working for NASA. As far as I know, they have no intention of returning to the UK.

Schools cannot find physics teachers for love nor money, mainly because not enough A level students go to uni to study physics, but also because it is well-known that graduates don't hang around for long. Most physics lessons in British schools are taught by teachers with inadequate physics qualifications.

daphnedill Mon 16-Jan-17 21:43:51

Exactly, whitewave! In the end, family ties might keep them in the UK, but the future is not here career-wise.

rosesarered Mon 16-Jan-17 21:49:32

still plenty of British physicists here! The Rutherford Appleton Labs and Harwell ( and the diamond light source ) also at Harwell ( South Oxfordshire) no shortage at all, though as I said, some do temporary placements in the US, and also CERN in Switzerland. Because some scientists are head hunted means nothing, they have been for 70 years or more but we are not experiencing a brain drain because of BREXIT or any other reason.

rosesarered Mon 16-Jan-17 21:51:53

dd your last comment is laughable, and shows you know little about physicists and the ground breaking work they are doing in the UK,their future is certainly here!

rosesarered Mon 16-Jan-17 21:55:39

I know quite a lot, some have been good friends of ours for years.
I wasn't talking about school teachers ( physics at that low level.)

rosesarered Mon 16-Jan-17 22:02:23

Since we are swapping examples, two of our friends sons are now at Rutherford Labs,
Having obtained first class degrees and PHD's from Bristol Uni.There are many younger people ,with marvellous careers ahead of them in this field, working in Oxfordshire.

whitewave Mon 16-Jan-17 22:03:04

Just heard 5% rise in council tax and 17million worth of cuts.

rosesarered Mon 16-Jan-17 22:07:06

Why are some posters so very determined to 'do down' the UK and all the chances and careers it offers? It seems a very bitter and strange thing to do IMHO.
You wonder why so many people want to come here......it's because we are a great place to live.

durhamjen Mon 16-Jan-17 22:19:07

Maybe some of us aren't so parochial, roses. Maybe we prefer to think we are European, or even global citizens.

www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/9-ways-global-citizen-is-taking-action-in-2017/

rosesarered Mon 16-Jan-17 22:22:22

So, you 'do down' the UK because you are not parochial , yes, that makes sense NOT.

rosesarered Mon 16-Jan-17 22:28:21

There's nothing wrong with being head hunted and moving to a different country, either for a while, or ( if they want you) for good, But it's a whole different thing to constantly make out that there is nothing worth staying in the UK for, no good jobs/careers etc. In fact, it's just plain crazy.

durhamjen Mon 16-Jan-17 23:09:35

I bet you'd be glad to have the empire back, roses. no matter how much it harmed the rest of the world.
How is wanting to be part of Europe or the world doing down the UK? It's wanting to be part of the world, wanting to be part of Europe. The UK is part of the world, not the most important part, not the only part. Believe it or not, xenophobia shown in Britain means it is not even the best place to work any more.

Mair Mon 16-Jan-17 23:10:44

JessM
We are not producing "too few computer science graduates"

"In each of the last six years, more students have begun computer science courses than physics, chemistry and maths combined. So there was obvious concern when it was noted that of undergraduates who qualify across all higher education subjects, computer science has consistently had the highest rate of unemployed graduates".

blog.hefce.ac.uk/2015/07/08/unemployment-among-computer-science-graduates-what-does-the-data-say/

Though on this point you are correct>

"In IT they are normally trying to recruit people at a particular level of skill and knowledge",

Arguably they are desiring to recruit people at an unreasonable level of skill and knowledge, with many of the numerous little industry standard qualifications (various computer languages etc) that a NQ grad cannot hope to have gained!

How has this situation arisen? Because this country has allowed firms, on intra company transfer visas (tier 2) to import large numbers of relatively low level but experienced Indian IT "code jockeys" who are willing to take relatively low paid work for the prize of settling their families in BRitain.

www.gov.uk/tier-2-intracompany-transfer-worker-visa/overview

I have heard the opinion that this has seriously damaged the financial attractiveness of a career in IT in the UK, and I have seen some of this first hand with a family member.

Foreign companies sometimes make the recruitment of cheap staff from mainly the sub continent a condition of investment.

Mair Mon 16-Jan-17 23:18:26

...xenophobia shown in Britain means it is not even the best place to work any more...

Really? Any evidence?

Then why do you think thousands wait at Calais and take horrendous risks to live here illegally, below the radar, rather than go to Germany or apply for asylum in France and live and work legally?

If Britain isn't "the best place to work" due to so called "xenophobia" where do you believe is? confused

rosesarered Mon 16-Jan-17 23:38:38

djen another nonsensical post from you.
All this daft stuff about Empire....where do you get it from?grin
My comments were about good jobs here for scientists ( as it was being claimed, wrongly, that they had to look abroad for careers).

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