Is the sexual orientation of a judge relevent?

durhamjen

You are devoid of understanding my point.

Instead of shouting answer my question to make your point.

Why is the article by the Guardian which is used in the Daily Mail and it is that Guardian article which mentions his sexual!orientation and Jewish wedding deemed to be acceptable journalism when those points the Guardian raised have bugger all to do with his promotion to Lord of the Rolls.?

If I had started a thread asking

"Why does The Guardian find it necessary to mention Lord Terence Ethertons sexual preference, Jewish wedding in their article telling us he has been promoted to Lord of the Rolls."

Does anybody think this is a)relevant and b) good journalism.

(I wonder if some posters have even read the link the OP put forward if they cannot equate the words come from a Guardian article. I think the words used in both the Daily Mail and Guardian amount to no more than a statement put out by many other media outlets where Etherton himself was making a statement 'quite happily' about his life , probably to stop idiots making a point out of his sexuality as though it is a problem in today's society.)

POGS

You are equally devoid of understanding of the point that others have made about context.

You are gaining nothing by repeating the same question over and over again and neither are we by repeating the same answer.

Shall we leave it as stalemate?

I used the term 'saintly Guardian' Mazie d also,.

I have no idea why you asked this question.

'As for the 'saintly Guardian' comment, are you saying that they lied about the judge's sexual orientation, roses?

The point roses made I assume was the Guardian can do no wrong in some peoples eyes not remotely querying the words the Guardian used. Why would she the Guardian spoke the truth, same as the Daily Mail.

You quite rightly say 'context is important'. Kindly explain to me what is the 'context' behind the Guardian mentioning Ethertons sexuality, Jewish wedding in their article which is telling the reader he has been promoted to Lord of the Rolls? Please explain to me the relevence .

My opinion is none.

There has been a link put forward by the OP which asks a question, not about the judges decision re Article 50 but the mentioning of a persons sexuality and journalism standards. I am responding to that question and using the link the OP provided to debate. It is however apparent some posters are trying to ignore the link by saying the guardian article was printed in May and has no relevance. I beg to differ.

I am even more ashamed of being British today
Is there any way you could renounce your citizenship?
It must be possible.

Although I think because you do not agree with the content of some of the media is not sufficient reason, you could get turned down.

Here is a useful link:

www.gov.uk/renounce-british-nationality/overview

Good luck!

I'm not taking it any further, POGS. You've already had my answer. You not liking it and repeating the question doesn't make me change my mind. It didn't work when my children tried the same tactics, either.

I think both of us have answered her question often enough, Maizie.
None so blind....

Thanks, Jalima, but I don't give up, I stay and fight.
I still feel ashamed, though.
Even if I renounced my citizenship I would still feel ashamed.

Perhaps counselling would help

Just trying to be helpful.

It's not snobbery to recognise that the Daily Mail is a bigoted rag.

Ask George Clooney and Ed Miliband for their opinion.

In answer to the op...NO! A judge's sexuality has absolutely nothing to do with this judgment.

Maizie, ignore the stirrers!

I'm not ashamed of my nationality, because I'm not responsible for the idiots who share the same nationality.

I'm not ashamed of my nationality, because I'm not responsible for the idiots who share the same nationality.

Very sensible statement daphnedill

I am not ashamed to be British either but it doesn't mean I agree with UKIP, BNP, any extremists, bigots, criminals etc etc who may share my nationality.

It takes all sorts and it is the same in every country. (just look at America for a prime example.)
Are people ashamed to be American because of either candidate? I doubt it.

It is just a rather daft and superficial remark that is being bandied around in the media at the moment.
It is a facile and ridiculous statement used by some journalists who should have a more rigorous knowledge of the English language to enable them to get across their point.

Both the Times and the Guardian also ran profiles of the three Judges, and included the information that the Master of the Rolls is gay. The unique point here, which I think led to this being mentioned, is that he was the first openly gay judge.

saying that you are ashamed to be British is frankly ridiculous.Wish posters would stop it, as they have no intention of taking up your helpful offer *Jalima nor do they really mean it.
POGS and others, including Fitzy have made valid points but it doesn't suit some posters view of things.

I have no idea what Maizie means at all, the saintly Guardian comment was obvious to understand.

I am allowed to say I am ashamed to be British just as anyone else is allowed to say anything they want - unless it's illegal.
I do mean it, roses. I have a lot of family who are not British.
As I said, being ashamed does not mean you give up citizenship. It means you try and make those who make you feel ashamed think differently. You do not accept people writing nasty things on social media without challenging them. You stand up for people who are being abused, being told to go back where they came from, being told they should get cancer and die, two bullets behind the ear.
Is that really something to joke about?

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that's social media djen and it goes on in every country in the world [nasty, racist, vile comments] as do assaults/taunts etc in RL in every country.So, saying you are ashamed to be British is silly.Saying you don't like those things that go on is another matter, and tbh most of us everywhere don't like them.It's up to the police and the social media sites to do something about it, and no doubt they will.

I must have missed the 'jokes'...

I AM ASHAMED TO BE BRITISH.

Couldn't care less if you think it's silly.
Many people do like saying them. That's why it gets worse and worse.
That's why some people feel they have to stand up to the bullies and say we are ashamed of our fellow countrymen saying these things.
Don't bother trying to twist my words again.

Durhamjen, if I understand you correctly, you understand that the prejudices you come across here are found in every country, and if you were a citizen elsewhere and heard the same things, you would be as ashamed to be associated with their country as you now feel about being British. I'm with the others in that I feel that to say you are ashamed to be British implies you are ashamed of all us Brits and everything we stand for. But I'm sure you don't mean that and we need too interpret what you say in context.

I don't feel ashamed, or proud, to be British.
Being British was an accident of birth and nothing to do with me.
Surely we can only be ashamed or proud of our own actions.
I do deplore the hatred in our society that has manifested itself since the Referendum and I think the attacks on the judges appalling.