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Is the sexual orientation of a judge relevent?

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Penstemmon Thu 03-Nov-16 22:20:31

The Daily Mail has made an issue of a judge's sexuality to try to undermine today's High Court judgemet on Article 50.

Does anyone think this is a) relevant and b) good journalism?

JessM Sun 13-Nov-16 22:02:18

And for those who wonder why people get pissed off with the Mail and the Sun, todays special has been to take some shots of Jeremy Corbyn on his way to the Cenotaph, cropped out the veteran he was with and tried to imply he was dancing along the road. Obviously they were planning a JC didn't wear a suit/wear a tie/wear a poppy/etc/etc story, didn't get one an in desperation made one up.
Lowest of low.
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/no-jeremy-corbyn-wasnt-dancing-9252300
I'm pissed off because when someone says that this or that party leader is "unelectable" it means that a very small number of billionaire newspapers owners will do their darndest to the prejudice UK voters against him/her. And some of these characters are not even British and don't live here. (Murdoch being the prime example)

daphnedill Sun 13-Nov-16 20:55:46

The people who buy LEGO are usually adults - whoever the end user. Believe it or not, there are millions of adults worldwide who still play with their LEGO, especially Technic, and spend years making their own models. They're not just nerds either. The cyclist, Mark Cavendish, bought himself a LEGO set to relax before his Olympics race. Some of the people on international chat sites are business people. What they share is an international outlook and a childlike desire to live in a simpler world. Very few of them have any time for media-inspired hatred and bigotry.

daphnedill Sun 13-Nov-16 20:47:23

LEGO the Good against the Evil Monster DM! Yes! I think good has triumphed over evil! grin

As an aside, the 'girlie' FRIENDS roller coaster is tipped to be one of the best selling toys this Christmas. It's great! Engineering skills needed and a working light.

Jalima Sun 13-Nov-16 18:30:34

Good publicity just before Christmas!
(or not depending on who buys the Lego grin)

I can't understand anyone defending even fantasy war toys, but there you are, takes all sorts.

Ana Sun 13-Nov-16 18:28:28

Well, it's cost Lego nothing has it? Plus it gets brownie points!

daphnedill Sun 13-Nov-16 18:24:47

Do you really think LEGO is aggression-inducing? I think even children have more sense than to think that they're going to be attacked by a minute piece of plastic. The point is that they can beat the evil the baddies represent, just like the characters in Roald Dahl's books always come to a bad end.

LEGO doesn't want to be associated with the hate-mongering of the Daily Mail. It has customers from many different countries to consider - not just in the UK. It's the company's prerogative and it seems to have been greeted positively by Lego fans worldwide.

Penstemmon Sun 13-Nov-16 18:18:01

book not boo!

Penstemmon Sun 13-Nov-16 18:17:19

I don't think Lego has a Calais Jungle Pack or Battle of the Job Centre etc etc!

It does have tie-ins to films etc such as Star Wars /Ninjago etc but all in fantasy ranges. I agree they are warlike but they are not 'enemies' that could also be your neighbour.

I think the objection is about the the media manipulation of the truth that has caused minority groups and vulnerable people to feel afraid for their safety. That cannot be good in anyone's boo can it?

Jalima Sun 13-Nov-16 18:01:14

I can't imagine Mattel would stop selling Barbie for the same reason
don't start me on Barbie ddil

Jalima Sun 13-Nov-16 17:59:02

I've been buying Lego for children and grandchildren for nearly fifty years. I've never bought anything remotely warlike, and they've never asked for it. It's how you bring them up.

But that's not the point is it?
They point is that they do make these aggressive warlike figures and all the equipment to go with them. If you choose not to buy it, that is your choice.
You may choose not to buy the Daily Mail too.

That is your choice.

I am not defending the Daily Mail in any way, I am just trying to work out WHY Lego has taken this stance when they make belligerent, aggression-inducing toys?
It is along the same lines as buying guns for children - there was an outcry about that. Just because the weapon is Lego sized does not make it any better or different.
I was shocked when I saw what was in the lego packs and said so to DH at the time.
For them to take the moral high ground now is hypocritical in my opinion.

No-one seems to see the point I am making.

rosesarered Sun 13-Nov-16 17:25:02

Keep waving ( and signaling) that virtue flag you carry about djen.

durhamjen Sun 13-Nov-16 17:18:07

I've been buying Lego for children and grandchildren for nearly fifty years. I've never bought anything remotely warlike, and they've never asked for it. It's how you bring them up.

daphnedill Sun 13-Nov-16 17:13:49

Much of the older LEGO was about pirates and castles. Before that, Homemaker had houses and the insides of buildings (kitchens, schools, etc). They were based on traditional dolls' houses.

Admittedly, station officer staff, etc. had male faces, but it's not difficult to give them a female face and hair. There's even a female bin collector, although I don't think I've ever seen a real one who isn't male.

daphnedill Sun 13-Nov-16 17:10:11

@rosesared

No, they're not all weapons-based by any means. The City theme (for example) doesn't have any weapons nor do the Creator sets.

With toys, the goodies can always overcome evil. Traditional Nordic literature was all about heroes fighting off baddies, so it's very much about 'hygge'.

I don't think children can (or should) be shielded from evil, but they can be shown that evil can be defeated.

durhamjen Sun 13-Nov-16 16:45:46

You could have said no, roses. I don't buy anything with weapons.

rosesarered Sun 13-Nov-16 16:37:27

The older Lego is more job based.

rosesarered Sun 13-Nov-16 16:36:41

Lego is mainly warlike now (apart from the girly stuff) I have ordered two sets for DGS and they are both weapons based ( just what DGS wants) but hardly hygge.

durhamjen Sun 13-Nov-16 16:32:37

My Danish family have never wanted pink Lego, and never bought it. My Danish granddaughter likes pink, but thinks pink Lego is silly.

Lego should take its customers concerns seriously, and good for them.

Penstemmon Sun 13-Nov-16 16:25:08

Whilst I would prefer not to have toys colour coded if doing so does encourage some children to try out skills and activities that they may not have domne before that is better than never considering them, isn't it?

Penstemmon Sun 13-Nov-16 16:21:59

There are businesses whose social values support improved equality and who have strong social responsibility programmes. Not all businesses are evil!

daphnedill Sun 13-Nov-16 16:09:09

Not very often, because I don't like it much either, although it's hugely successful. LEGO has been trying to target girls for years. I have some vintage 1990s pink sets, which are quite interesting. Compared with other pink girls' toys, there's loads of potential for action.

LEGO takes its customers' concerns very seriously. It stopped producing a female minifigure, because customers thought it was too sexualised. I can't imagine Mattel would stop selling Barbie for the same reason.

durhamjen Sun 13-Nov-16 15:55:37

Do you sell pink Lego, daphne?
I do wish they hadn't done that.

Roses, nothing wrong with wanting to change the press. They write articles wanting to change our opinions.

Whatever happened to the News of the World?

daphnedill Sun 13-Nov-16 15:53:32

PS. I meant '@Jalima'.

daphnedill Sun 13-Nov-16 15:52:02

I agree, Penstemmon, which is why I don't support unlimited free speech. We are very lucky that our press is relatively uncensored, but 'free speech' isn't an opportunity for every gobby person to spew hatred without being responsible for the consequences.

People who really care about democracy know that. It's not just about putting a cross in a box then trying to shut down opposite views.

daphnedill Sun 13-Nov-16 15:47:49

@POGS

Of course I've looked at LEGO recently. I sell the stuff! grin grin grin

What's aggressive about a London bus, a corner deli, a roller coaster and a reindeer?

This one German media outlet's take on the issue:
www.dw.com/en/stop-funding-hate-wins-lego-to-stop-daily-mail-promos/a-36371110

It's typical of other media. The international LEGO chatrooms think it's a good move too. It's been a positive move for the company's image.