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What do we know about Brexit? Briefing paper for MPs

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MaizieD Thu 10-Nov-16 20:48:50

And the answer is?

Very little.

researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7761

What will happen to EU law in the UK?

The Government intends to introduce a ‘Great Repeal Bill’ in 2017 to convert the EU acquis into UK law but without an EU basis. The Government (and Parliament?) will decide what to keep, repeal or amend.

We don’t know:

to what extent legislation currently in force that gives effect to EU law will be repealed or amended
how much European Union law will be transposed into domestic law after the UK leaves the European Union
whether the UK will seek to remove to all references to EU institutions from the domestic law
where EU legislation is transposed into domestic law, whether the law will be updated in line with any changes made by the EU
the extent to which changes to legislation to give effect to Brexit will be set out in primary legislation
the extent to which the Government will rely on Henry VIII powers to make changes to legislation to give effect to Brexit?
whether the ‘Great Repeal Bill’ will simply transpose EU law into domestic law or include substantive changes to the law to come into force after Brexit
whether the Great Repeal Bill will contain powers to facilitate transposition, to ensure that individuals’ legal position is maintained or whether it will contain powers to enable changes to be made so as to remove those elements of EU law that the Government wishes to change post Brexit
whether the UK courts will continue to rely upon the jurisprudence of the CJEU when interpreting EU law after it has been transposed into domestic law.

And that's just a little bit of what they don't know....

whitewave Thu 10-Nov-16 20:51:11

Thanks for that maiz will read with interest

rosesarered Thu 10-Nov-16 20:54:12

How about we keep the things that suit us and ditch those that don't.
We elect politicians to do this sort of thing for us,so Parliament will decide.

MaizieD Thu 10-Nov-16 22:19:42

That's funny, roses,because Theresa May is doing her damndest to keep Parliament out of it.

durhamjen Fri 11-Nov-16 00:38:02

'Treaty negotiations are undertaken by the Government under the Royal Prerogative. The UK Parliament has no formal role in scrutinising the negotiation of treaties (although it can delay or even – in the case of the House of Commons – block ratification).

The Government has made some commitments to share information on the negotiations with Parliament, and the Commons has set up a new Select Committee on Exiting the EU.'

I presume this is no longer valid or true. This must be what's going through the courts.

whitewave Fri 11-Nov-16 09:56:02

Royal Prerogative covers only certain areas - foreign policy being one of them as far as I understand. That is why the government thought it could get away with just a little clique sorting out what Britain would look like for centuries to come. But to my mind because EU law is incorporated into UK domestic law this no longer applies and Parliament should be fully consulted.

rosesarered Fri 11-Nov-16 10:00:33

MaizieD no, I think you will find that May was never going to 'do her damndest' to keeep Parliament out of debating the Great Repeal Bill.

POGS Fri 11-Nov-16 10:19:47

Brexit 5

Jane10 Fri 11-Nov-16 10:34:52

I can quite understand why Mrs May is quietly getting on with her plans for Brexit. I suspect that quite a lot of commercially sensitive decisions and proposals are under discussion and releasing this for discussion and debate by all and sundry could be a really foolish move. It could undermine the negotiations with EU when the time comes. We've voted. Its their job. Let them get on with it. I was a remainer btw but things have changed and we have to be flexible. Nicola Sturgeon please note!

Welshwife Fri 11-Nov-16 11:02:17

It is fine to say roses that we will keep the laws which suit us - but who will they suit? Within those EU laws are things which are great for the workers - various rights etc but not so great for the employers. Who is going to decide what we keep. Any changes will need to be scrutinised very carefully as it will be too easy to slip in stuff that could be very controversial were it to be openly debated.

rosesarered Fri 11-Nov-16 12:40:05

Parliament has to decide Welshwife that is their job and what we elect them to do on our behalf.

MaizieD Fri 11-Nov-16 12:48:19

When the Great Repeal Bill was announced it was happily assumed by the press that all the adjustments needed to convert legislation which referenced the EU into purely British legislation would be done through parliamentary scrutiny.

These opinions from lawyers suggest that that a) It is far too complex (so not enough parliamentary time and b) the use of the 'Henry VII' clause would put too much power into the hands of the Executive. It would, of course, suit the Executive very well to have a free rein in amending legislation but this hardly accords with Parliamentary Sovereignty.

Finally there has already been fears expressed by members of the House of Lords, including Helena Kennedy, about how this process will be carried out. A number of senior Tories have already hinted that the process could be done largely by executive means. This will allow Ministers, rather than Parliament, to repeal or amend domesticated EU legislation, ironically marginalising ‘the mother of all Parliaments’ even further in the Brexit process.

thejusticegap.com/2016/10/just-great-theresa-mays-great-repeal-bill/

The overarching message that has emerged from the speeches at the Conservative Party conference is that the Government is single-mindedly committed to an executive-led withdrawal process, and is unprepared to tolerate interference in that process by either Parliament or the devolved institutions. Of course, there is one institution — the UK Supreme Court — whose interference the Government may have to tolerate whether it likes it or not. By the end of this year, the Court is likely to have ruled on the question whether the Government has the power to trigger Article 50 without parliamentary authorisation. If the Court rules that Parliament must be involved, then the constitutional landscape envisioned in the Prime Minister’s speech will alter significantly, and the Government’s plans will have to be revisited accordingly. But if the Government is permitted to go ahead and trigger Article 50 without reference to Parliament, then the Prime Minister’s speech will have served to make the broad outline of what lies ahead — at least as far as the mechanics are concerned — a little clearer.

publiclawforeveryone.com/2016/10/02/theresa-mays-great-repeal-bill-some-preliminary-thoughts/

Daniel Greenberg, a former Parliamentary draftsman, has described this as “the largest scale legislation and policy exercise that has ever been carried out”. The exercise will be even more complex (and accelerated) because it is likely that uncertainty as to the precise arrangements between the EU and UK after Brexit will persist until quite late in the day, so that detailed regulation will not be able to be finalised until that point.

There is no way in which parliament will be able deal with this by primary legislation, within the two-year time limits imposed by Article 50. Once that time limit expires, the EU provisions will no longer apply, leaving the UK with a legal vacuum. To reduce the length of uncertainty, the Great Repeal Bill will necessarily have to give power to ministers to make new laws in all these fields by statutory instrument.

But that raises profound issues for parliament. When section 2(2) of the 1972 Act has been employed as a basis for secondary legislation, it has been used to implement EU legislation that has already undergone considerable scrutiny at EU level (by member states and the European Parliament). In contrast, parliament’s scrutiny of UK statutory instruments is already widely regarded as seriously deficient, not least because there is no power to propose amendments).

www.civilserviceworld.com/articles/opinion/theresa-mays-great-repeal-bill-must-not-lead-rushed-and-incoherent-legislation

As to 'confidentiality' over the Brexit negotiations, as May has been talking to other countries and giving 'assurances' to companies she must have something concrete in mind and you can bet your life that what she has been saying to interested parties has not been kept confidential (Nissan is part owned by Renualt, don't say the French govt. at least don't know what she promised). So why the secrecy in the UK?

durhamjen Fri 11-Nov-16 13:02:34

I assumed that the Great Repeal Bill ( making Britain Great again?) meant that all the EU laws would be changed to say UK instead of EU. Then each law would be debated in parliament, so we kept the ones that suited us, i.e., the British population as a whole, and abandoned or changed the ones we did not need.

Obviously not what Theresa May thought.
Roses, voting for an MP does not mean abdicating our responsibility or our ability to think for ourselves.
Obviously you do not like politics, but you don't need to keep telling us that we shouldn't care about what is being done in our name.

Deedaa Fri 11-Nov-16 21:52:14

If all the EU laws are to be unpicked and re written to suit the UK there are going to be some VERY happy lawyers Some of them are probably putting their orders for yachts in already.

durhamjen Sat 12-Nov-16 00:32:33

No, they are already in parliament. They are paid to scrutinise laws already. 20%, at the 2010 election, I think. Probably more now.

durhamjen Sat 12-Nov-16 00:37:17

Sorry, only 14% now.