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Hope for the Labour Party?

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thatbags Mon 28-Nov-16 08:15:47

I've just discovered Dan Jarvis MP.

Iam64 Tue 06-Dec-16 19:04:34

Thanks Ginny42 , I don't know how I omitted the mention of schools. I worked in a number of areas of high deprivation (not as a teacher) and the difference in the community schools in those areas was dramatic. So many parents talked to me about their desire to send their children to the new community school, where in addition to nursery/primary, there was a health centre (midwives and health visitors available), a library and often a community centre. These things made significant positive differences to deprived communities. As well as providing practical support in a welcoming environment, they made people feel they mattered. I have a particular former mining community in mind - where grandparents/aunts/uncles stepped in to care for the children of former miners where drugs had left the parents incapable of providing safe care. The support at the community school was invaluable.

durhamjen Sun 11-Dec-16 15:38:12

richardhutton.wordpress.com/2016/12/10/the-right-minded-view-sleafords-by-election-another-terrible-result-for-corbyn/

Anniebach Sun 11-Dec-16 16:55:02

Diane Abbot said this morning the sleaford result was disappointing

Jalima Sun 11-Dec-16 17:28:06

-7% is 'disappointing'?
Rather an understatement.

Beammeupscottie Sun 11-Dec-16 17:40:43

She also said Labour needed a year to turn itself around!
I thought she had a defeatist air about her - but you could say that about all Labour politicians at the moment. No one is fighting with any conviction.
I agree with Tatchell that Corbyn will not openly criticise Russia's bombing of Syrians, which is very bad.

Anniebach Sun 11-Dec-16 17:49:48

Very bad, very hypocritical Beam

durhamjen Sun 11-Dec-16 18:30:41

skwawkbox.org/2016/12/11/tatchell-medias-hero-for-corbyn-picket-heres-what-he-says-re-sex-with-children/
You like Tatchell, do you? I am surprised.

durhamjen Sun 11-Dec-16 18:31:10

skwawkbox.org/2016/12/10/opportunist-tatchell-shames-his-cause-stinks-of-progressportland/

Ana Sun 11-Dec-16 18:34:53

Has anyone on here said they 'like' Tatchell?

Not surprised you've managed to find some damning link about him though, durhamjen - serves him right for daring to challenge Corbyn.

durhamjen Sun 11-Dec-16 18:55:13

www.independent.co.uk/voices/peter-tatchell-interrupts-jeremy-corbyn-speech-embarrassing-protest-pointless-fuels-ukip-a7468186.html

I agree with this man. Tatchell chose the wrong place and the wrong people to protest against.
Corbyn was giving a speech about domestic violence against women on Human Rights Day. Why interrupt that? Why carry a banner saying actions not words when the person who can act is Theresa May. Corbyn is leader of the opposition, not government.

durhamjen Sun 11-Dec-16 18:56:47

If you, and Tatchell, attacked the government with as much venom as you attack Corbyn it would make much more sense.

Anniebach Sun 11-Dec-16 19:01:27

I like Thachell.

Three things about the link attacking Thachell

1.it speaks of Corbyn handling it with grace and class - Corbyn , grace and class?

2. If Thachell supports peodophiles it says much sbout the company Corbyn keeps does it not?

3. It speaks of Corbyns often compelling words . Perhaps "your hassling me " is compelling, I thought it pathetic.

Anniebach Sun 11-Dec-16 19:03:21

I do agree that there is sod all Corbyn can do

durhamjen Sun 11-Dec-16 19:08:03

Shame you can't spell his name properly.
Are you suggesting that Corbyn is a paedophile there Annie? You really need to be careful what you are insinuating.
If not that, what do you mean?

That letter in the article was written by Tatchell, not by somebody attacking him. His own words implying we need to reassess our definition of paedophilia. Do you agree with him about that?

durhamjen Sun 11-Dec-16 19:09:58

You've said you like Tatchell, Annie.

Ana Sun 11-Dec-16 19:12:11

This thread is supposed to be about the Labour Party, not what Tatchell thinks about other things, paedophilia included.

Classic example of playing the man, not the ball.

grumppa Sun 11-Dec-16 19:23:44

Surely the reason JC won't discuss the Russian bombing of Syria is that he is an unreconstructed fellow-traveller who cannot accept that Russia is no longer the Soviet Union, no longer communist, and certainly no longer socialist, and may therefore have become a justifiable target for criticism from the Left.

durhamjen Sun 11-Dec-16 19:27:18

So Tatchell interrupting Corbyn is not relevant, either. Perhaps you ought to tell us what is allowed.

Wasn't Tatchell interrupting Corbyn's speech on violence to women playing the man, not the ball?

Ana Sun 11-Dec-16 19:36:48

No.

Anniebach Sun 11-Dec-16 19:41:03

Jen, surely shame lies not with the person who makes a spelling error but with the person ill mannered enough to point the error out.

Yes I like Thachell, unlike Corbyn I cannot claim a very long friendship with him .

Anniebach Sun 11-Dec-16 19:44:10

Surely a pacifist taking the opportunity to speak out against what is happening in Syria is something all pacifists would applaud not condemn , in fairness I do mean dedicated pacifists not pick and choose pacifists

grumppa Sun 11-Dec-16 19:56:26

One can only applaud anyone who finds a way through JC's minders and succeeds in interrupting him at all when he's preaching to his converted.

nightowl Sun 11-Dec-16 19:59:36

Yet you support MPs who voted for air strikes in Syria Annie. How can you describe others as 'pick and choose' pacifists. This thread is sickening.

Anniebach Sun 11-Dec-16 20:20:16

Problem is nightowl, there are a few who claim to be pacifists yet defend Corbyn for not criticising Russia and for supporting the IRA , glass houses comes to mind

Anniebach Sun 11-Dec-16 20:23:51

Ooooops, yes any post where someone uses pedophilia as an attack does make the thread sickening