An oath on British Values?

Yes I'm sure that's right, and may well have been of the Islamic faith.

Visit to Spain this year and was impressed as how well the Muslim rulers ensured that all faiths were integrated and treated equally, including those immigrants from Asia- the gypsies. It all fell apart when the Christians took over. But that is really an aside.

no, it is just an old Saxon name!

I worked with a Cornish girl who had a Spanish surname - well, it was her married name and her DH's ancestors were Spanish - she said from the Armada but I wonder they could have been traders.

Blimey jalima ancestry.com has nothing on you

I reckon looking at some of our Cornish relatives we may have originated in the Mediterranean -but that's only a guess. I suppose probably 95% of our population are as a result of immigration.

ps the other lot came in about 550 AD I think

Do you hold dual citizenship Jalima? Are you an immigrant or of an immigration background and entitled to dual citizenship through jus sanguinis - thus not objective?

rather intrusive question.

My ancestors were immigrants in about 1650, not sure that they needed passports then.

Would you agree that Britain shouldn't even grant dual nationality to citizens of those countries which are not willing to rciprocate by allowing dual nationality to British migrants?

No, we have the laws on nationality in the UK and we do not need to over-complicate them just because other countries have different rules for their citizens.

Language getting ever more colourful Mair - is that your original work?

mair I think the question really ought to be asked what you want as the Brexiters are in charge now, so your decision is what will affect us not mine or the remainers. You need to get used to not being on the outside now. Brexiters are those now with the responsibility, and we as remainers are waiting to see how successful you will be.

Aren't the elite now the Brexiters?

If the elite didnt want it to happen Trisher then it wouldnt. Plenty of rich and emerging countries are not accepting large numbers of immigrants. It's not a 'force of nature'.

It isn't a "project" Mair simply the result of young, mobile people who can travel between places, settle where they are happiest and live a rich full life wherever they are. Trying to turn the clock back never works. If you imagine it is some sort of conspiracy you are really labouring under a delusion. Fifty years ago moving to live in a new place in Britain away from your family became more common, now people move countries.
Forgot to mention my relatives in America and in Europe. In fact thinking about it I must have relatives on every single continent!

Jalima said:
why should they not keep their own nationality unless they are from a country which won't allow dual nationality and they would prefer to renounce it in favour of UK citizenship?

Would you agree that Britain shouldn't even grant dual nationality to citizens of those countries which are not willing to rciprocate by allowing dual nationality to British migrants?

This is another example of Britain being far too 'soft' and letting our own citizens down.

Do you hold dual citizenship Jalima? Are you an immigrant or of an immigration background and entitled to dual citizenship through jus sanguinis - thus not objective?

WW said
"Those opposing Brexit prior to the referendum warned consistently against a Norwegian type deal."

Prior to the referndum they thought theyd win! its a different story now, a Norwegian deal looks like a pretty good option to most Remainers. Wouldn't you like it yourself?

Jess said
"If May continues to antagonise other EU members she will not get the best deal."
The antagonising is all coming from some of the more aggressive on the EU side not from May, Jess, the threats, the spite.
"We will, after all, still need (desperately need) to trade successfully with the EU after leaving."
And they with us. We are a massive customer

"And we really want UK nationals to still be welcome in all of the EU states."
Is this a euphemism for free movement? Then no, its very clear we don't want that and we can hardly expect it to be free movement for Brits while we control who we accept, but you never know.

Anya said:
"Now is the time to give that reassurance I agree Jess and to say that those (legally) in the UK today can remain"
Why dont you call for the EU to give that reassurance to Brits Anya? If they did then its very likely May will respond in kind.

Trisher said:
"The globalised world is already with us."
Do you really think the project is complete Trisher?
Theyre barely half way there, open borders, one world governance, on world currency, one world police force, a microchipped population, everyone living in equal poverty under the thumb of a super wealthy elite. Oh no we dont quite have Brave New World yet.

Mair
When pro mass immigrationists come out with this kind of nonsense I believe they really show themselves up as brainwashed foot soldiers of the powerful forces working towards no borders and a globalised world.

The globalised world is already with us. My son works with a Greek and a Croatian both of whom pay taxes and are resident here. My cousin worked in Germany for a long time. My other cousin is at present in Zurich, but is a UK resident with property and a business here. Other relatives have links in business and family with Singapore and Hong Kong. We are just one family. You can't turn the clock back even with Brexit things will become more international.

Now is the time to give that reassurance I agree Jess and to say that those (legally) in the UK today can remain. This would also put a spoke in the wheels of those few who seem to think Brexit is just about getting rid of 'foreigners' who 'take our jobs'

Also a reassurance needs to be given to farmers that they can recruit seasonal pickers PDQ before they find jobs in other countries and we are left with crops rotting in the fields.

She has neither the vision nor a plan according to one of our best negotiators.

Negotiation generally works best if you strive for a win-win outcome. In order to do this it nearly always works best if you can bring about some kind of rapport and good feeling between the two sides, rather than adopting strategies that tend to increase the hostility of your opponent. If May continues to antagonise other EU members she will not get the best deal. We will, after all, still need (desperately need) to trade successfully with the EU after leaving. And we really want UK nationals to still be welcome in all of the EU states.
I would therefore suggest to her that she takes a brave step and makes a very early decision which would assure those who are now here and in employment or in a family relationship with a UK resident, that they can remain indefinitely, whatever happens. This would also forestall the brain drain that universities and NHS are beginning to suffer.
However I fear that she does not have the vision to take this bold step.

mair you have turned the truth onto its head in your post @9.33.

Those opposing Brexit prior to the referendum warned consistently against a Norwegian type deal.

Never fear - hard Brexit will happen whatever anyone says.

Your flowery use of language is interesting. Context is all, and you certainly make full use of it

I was referring to the people who have posted about EU nationals on this thread Jalima.
Ah, OK!
The more citizenships the better (hedge your bets)

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/dec/30/reasons-to-be-hopeful-2016-britain-welfare-state

Well said, Harry Leslie Smith.

Nobody is saying that Brits are 'superior'.......it's all in the mind of posters!

When pro mass immigrationists come out with this kind of nonsense I believe they really show themselves up as brainwashed foot soldiers of the powerful forces working towards no borders and a globalised world.

It is nothing less than an underhand attempt to portray their opponents as Nazis.

Am starting to wonder if misunderstanding posts and scenarios ( about EU nationals here and Brits living abroad) is being done wilfully.There are no double standards being employed.What is fair for one is fair for the other.I would like to see guarantees for BOTH offered, that will be part of any deal to come.Nobody is saying that Brits are 'superior'.......it's all in the mind of posters!

"Why are the same people so vehement about British citizens living abroad being protected when we leave the EU? As I said double standards."

No Trisher, the Brexiters have all said a deal should be reached to protect both. Its the Remainers showing double standards in wanting May to unilaterally offer guarantees to EUers living here while not caring two hoots about how EU countries treat Brits living there.

Given that its the EU that has been speaking spitefully not May, then the double standards are underlined

I was referring to the people who have posted about EU nationals on this thread Jalima. I have no objection to them keeping their nationality. Others seem to differ
^As Anya has said that silly Dutchwoman has only herself to blame!
She wasnt even willing to hand in her passport! Does sh think British citizenship should be handed out like smarties?^

Why are the same people so vehement about British citizens living abroad being protected when we leave the EU? As I said double standards.
It is I suppose why people voted for Brexit. They obviously regard Brits as special and people from other EU countries as inferior. The idea that British values include tolerance is perhaps not true.

These EU people of course should take British citizenship and not keep their own nationality. Talk about double standards!
why should they not keep their own nationality unless they are from a country which won't allow dual nationality and they would prefer to renounce it in favour of UK citizenship?