An oath on British Values?

Canada or Norway would suit me fine. I have no intention ever of signing any kind of allegiance to the British flag, because I have no idea what it means. I'm not even sure who or what I'm supposed to integrate with.

If I'm deported for being unpatriotic, it will be a bit of a shame, because family history research shows I haven't had any non-English input into my DNA for nearly five centuries.

Just read your post Jen, seems I will have to migrate, no way will I swear allegiance to a flag of Scotland, Ireland and England

Respect our Christian heritage? There are several members of this forum who don't . As for standing together as a nation, good grief, we are four countries clumped together as one nation, we are not united

Actually, Luckylegs, the government is thinking of asking everyone who works in public office to sign an oath of allegiance now.

'Every public office-holder may have to swear an oath of allegiance to British values, Communities Secretary Sajid Javid has indicated.

The pledge would be expected to cover elected officials, civil servants and council workers.

The proposal from Mr Javid is in response to a report on social cohesion by Dame Louise Casey, which warned some sections of society did not accept British values such as tolerance.

He said he was "drawn" to Dame Louise's recommendation to bring in an oath of allegiance because it was impossible for people to play a "positive role" in public life unless they accepted basic values like democracy and equality.'

Where do you suggest those who do not want to should migrate to?

It is so infantile to think people can just do their own thing. If they were to sign allegiance to the Britiah Flag, learn the language, respect our Chrisian heritage and agree to integrate with the country that takes them in, it would make them think hard about what they are doing coming here. That if they live in a house they respect the people they live among. If they won't do that, let them go somewhere that shares their values,we don't need them, we all need to stand together as a Nation. This is for people of any race or religion.

The rest of it, of course, is how they do it, and how they test it.
Very vague, but they are still there.
Has anyone on here taught British values to school classes as per the document?

Oh, for gawd's sake, you two

Here they are, from the Dfes document

Schools should promote the fundamental British values of democracy, the rule of law, individual liberty, and mutual respect and tolerance of those with different faiths and beliefs

I find the last one a bit difficult..

If you put links on, I read them.

Pot, Kettle ?

That's why I didn't put it on earlier, Annie, I knew you wouldn't. No point in discussing with someone who only thinks from her own prejudices.

Haven't read it.

Are you disagreeing with the DES?

Sorry Jen, you are mistaken , was it not you who started this discussion sign up again ?

www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi2iq-Aj5TRAhVXNVAKHYRlD08QFggxMAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.gov.uk%2Fgovernment%2Fuploads%2Fsystem%2Fuploads%2Fattachment_data%2Ffile%2F380595%2FSMSC_Guidance_Maintained_Schools.pdf&usg=AFQjCNE3DVrJwJAuaoNHssEeIVBy86eq_g
A google link to the DES promoting British values as part of the national curriculum.

Except, as I said earlier, schools are expected to teach British values to all children at school as part of the national curriculum. Therefore someone must think there are such things as British values.
How do you know the values I teach my grandson are not the same as those you have?
I don't teach him everything I say on here.
You are just arguing about this for the sake of arguing with me.

So you teach your values, I have my values, as some are not shared I repeat, there is no such thing as British values

I don't have to teach the national curriculum, although I do teach my grandson decent values, as the family want me to.
For national curriculum British values, you can surely manage to search for them online. That's how I found out.

As you are still teaching do list them

Strange to say there's no such thing as British values, as they have been part of the teaching in the national curriculum for over two years.

Gillybob, I have a message on a coaster which says,"Coffee keeps me going until it is acceptable to drink."
Somebody knows me.
Is it too early for coffee now, or too late for drink?

I remember once a Dilbert (?) Cartoon about a board meeting, and the first item up for discussion was 'The Purpose of this Meeting'.

They never got past discussing if the first word 'The' was appropriate.

This thread reminds me of that cartoon

Every time I read the thread title I mentally translate it as 'A curse on British Values' anyway, so I think I'm better off out of it!

Quite simple Ana, there is no such thing as British values

I don't understand what you mean, Annie.

Surely one can tolerate others' opinions and values without condoning them - not being able to do so leads to high blood pressure at the very least and wars at the very worst.

No it doesn't, but it does mean acceptance of their values and acknowledging them, not claiming to hold the value of tolerance but only if one shares values