An oath on British Values?

Accepting that others hold those values doesn't mean you have to accept the values, though.

Which proves there is no such thing as British values, each person has their own values and for me tolerance means accepting everyone's values even though they differ from mine. This is why I said I am not tolerant, I cannot accept Farages principles .

Will you be watching Brendan Cox's alternative Christmas message on Channel 4?

Probably because he doesn't push his religion.

I'm with you, trisher. Like you, I doubt we'll get our idea of British values and tolerance accepted, though.
Richard Murphy's ideas are similar. It has nothing to do with religion or otherwise, either. I always seem to be agreeing with him, and he's a Quaker.

For me tolerance means listening to and accepting people's fears and not dismissing them as being unfounded .

I suspect my oath on British values wouldn't sit well with many of the establishment.
I'd like to see people promising to work to eradicate poverty, to welcome asylum seekers fleeing war and starvation, to build and maintain relationships with people from other countries, to pay their fair share of taxes and to fully support the NHS.
The Royal family, HM Government and the establishment I couldn't swear to support so I suppose I wouldn't be welcome here!!!

We need to be tolerant.

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/12/24/we-need-to-believe/

No, I know you weren't Annie

I am not using the death of anyone and hsve no wish to 'get one over'

What bloody hypocrisy here, all that claiming to be tolerant crap, more tolerance of each other's opinions as long as theiy are my opinions , that's not tolerance .

I really don't think it appropriate that the death of a young MP, wife and mother should be used as an argument just to get one over on another person in GN

Really?

'Brendan Cox, the widower of murdered MP Jo Cox, is to warn of the creeping tides of fascism and xenophobia as he urges people to be more tolerant of each other’s opinions in this year’s alternative Christmas message.'

Perhaps if more people were tolerant of each other's opinions, instead of being xenophobic, Jo Cox would still be alive.

I am not tolerant ,

What are you getting at, Annie?

'He will add, however, that another future is possible. “Just as it has become apparent that tolerance and tolerant societies are only as strong as their defenders – there is nothing inevitable about the rise of hatred,” he will say. “Instead of being a turning point for the worse, 2016 could be a wake-up call that brings us back together.”

Cox recorded the tribute to his late wife on the converted Dutch barge which the family called home. He will say that just a few weeks before she died, Jo had quoted Edmund Burke, who said that all that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men and women to do nothing. “That has never been more true,” he will say, adding that the need to defend tolerance and fair play “isn’t someone else’s problem”.

Cox’s message comes after the Prince of Wales warned that the rise of populist extremism and intolerance towards other faiths risks repeating the “horrors” of the Holocaust. Speaking on BBC Radio 4’s religious Thought for the Day slot on Thursday, the prince delivered an outspoken attack against religious hatred and pleaded for a welcoming attitude to those fleeing persecution.'

They should be British values, rather than those of Farage.
Did you actually read what Brendan Cox said?
I thought that the British were supposed to stand up for tolerance and fair play.

Are they British

Brendan Cox has the right idea.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/23/brendan-cox-urges-people-to-fight-rise-of-hatred-in-alternative-christmas-speech

These are the British values I believe in.

How is Christianity imposed Daphne?

How is atheism imposed, annie? Nobody stops you from worshipping as you wish.

I object to Christianity being imposed on so many walks of life.

The photo is what I can see from my window every day, when I sit at my computer. It was a tongue-in-cheek response to another post.

I won't sear any oath on a bible, granny23. If I swear an oath I want it to mean something and I'm not going to go through a sham.

Is'nt the whole idea of oaths redundant now? If you do not believe in a God, are not Godfearing, as in 'so help me God' then you have no fear of breaking your oath, no fear of divine retribution. You can safely swear on your Mother's life in the sure knowledge that nothing nasty will befall your Mother if you default. (OK she might be a bit disappointed in you ).

As to values, personally I would have to add Thrift, Charity and Independence - financial and of mind - to the ones previously mentioned.

Daphne, as a Christian I object to atheism being imposed

If crosses are irrelevant to you why bother to take a photograph of a cemetery with those irelevent to you crosses

No such thing as British values , British laws yes but values? Do we not have our own values which not all share ?

I suppose it was there before you were, daphne.
If you objected to crosses, you wouldn't have bought a house there.

The ironic thing is that those who bleat loudest about British values wouldn't like the kind of British values I'd like to impose.

I can't imagine that any serious terrorist would think twice about disobeying some oath.

It's a ridiculous idea, which would cost millions to set up and would have absolutely no effect.

I don't usually take pictures of the view from my window, but here you are! It's the town cemetery.

I can't say that crosses offend me. I am an atheist and as far as I'm concerned they're irrelevant. I do, however, object to the extent which Christianity is imposed.

www.theguardian.com/society/2016/dec/19/meaningless-readers-on-sajid-javids-british-values-oath

I wonder if all those using the revolving doors from government and back to banks or finance companies, the ones who set up tax dodging companies, would have to sign an oath on British values. Their values are miles away from mine.