An oath on British Values?

i agree Ana that we ought to be able, as a nation, to draw up some sort of agreement.

In which case how can we ask immigrants to swear an oath to abide by them?

Somehow, I don't think my values are the same as Theresa May's.

The shared values are the ones that we don't notice because we take them for granted.

Annie, you can't conclude that 'there is no such thing as shared British values' just because a poster says something you disagree with.

It's a question of determining the values that most UK citizens do agree on.

Ana, Mumsy says don't let thrm in,i disagree, where is the sharing ?

^Sorry, Anya. Am I not allowed to join in the discussion?
Hadn't realised^

If you are 'joining the conversation' then I suggest you knkw what the conversation was.

Now we know!!!

We were not a tolerant country in the fifties and sixties, those on the Windrush suffered awful abuse , what of the signs in boarding houses, no blacks, Irish or dogs , it took a law to stop this being said openly . The Jews were certainly not welcome in the 19th and early 20th century . Travellers are still not welcome

(to Annie)

No. It shows nothing of the sort.

Then follow the other examples of the trigger happy and ask for it to be deleted.

Mumsy, it shows there is no such thing as shared British values does it not?

Anya, My post was NOT racist!! and I dont for the life of me understand why you think so, but there again you seem to jump on me most times when I comment!! Nothing is ever acceptable to you!

Thankyou Gillybob for seeing I was just posting my view on the subject and not being racist.

Anniebach why would you class me as an example of british values? Just because my views differ from yours does not mean I have no 'british' values!

' Casey says that the promotion of the English language and the emancipation of marginalised groups of women should be at the centre of a new programme to improve community cohesion. Quite right. But it was only later that we learned that David Cameron’s speech in 2011 declaring the “death of multiculturalism” meant deep cuts – £400m plus – to the adult skills budget which pays for most provision of teaching English to speakers of other languages (Esol).

The 2011 census showed that not speaking any English was a problem that affected only 138,000 migrants, fewer than 0.3% of the population. Many of those who spoke no English at all were an older generation who had come as grandparents to join their families. Some have been in Britain for decades without learning English – not unlike the retired Brits on the Spanish Costas.'

Fewer than 0.3% of the population.

@ Washerwoman

This might surprise you, but I agree with you. It's some Muslims. It's very sad when people talk about them, as though they're a different species.

I've mentioned this before, but I'll repeat it. My daughter's boyfriend has a Muslim name. His grandfather came from Yemen (and is Arab), when Aden was still a British protectorate.

My daughter's boyfriend was born in Manchester and went to a well-known public school in the city. Apart from the Arab name, he also has dark(ish) skin. He says he feels like a coconut - white on the inside and brown on the outside. He has experienced racism first-hand. Even in a city such as Manchester (and he doesn't live in a ghetto), it works both ways.

The two of them are currently backpacking round South America and my daughter's boyfriend was actually anxious about being stopped at border control, despite his British passport and the fact that he had never been outside Europe before. He doesn't even believe in Islam.

I'm glad the report has been published rather than brushing the issue under the carpet, but I hope the public debate won't descend into an excuse for defending racist attitudes.

Jane10 mentioned the genetic birth defects in Muslim families. If you really want to be depressed, read up on it, it's horrendous. And that's not bringing into it the cost to the NHS. That is another 'elephant in the room' that nobody wants to talk about.

but it will be interesting to see, thatbags

well, I agree completely [but am sure there will be a few who don't.]

durhamjen I wouldn't worry too much over this report because the PC tree hugger brigade will make sure of that.
In fact, I wish she hadn't spent so much time and some of my taxes by making me think ( but only for a nano second ) that things are going to change, they're not.

I think there might sometimes (appear to) be a focus on Muslims because political Islam evidently does not accept the liberal values I referred to earlier.

I think it's always useful to turn around concepts like this. If I went to live in a country very different from where I grew up I'd expect to have to fit in with local customs and to live by that country's laws whether I liked it or not. I think this is a perfectly reasonable expectation to have of immigrants wherever they are from and wherever they go.

I'd be interested to hear what the reasons are of someone who disagrees with this view.

Maybe it should concentrate on British Culture rather than values . I have no problem with immigration but would like them to have more help /encouragement to integrate because I think that fact that some don`t is what causes the problems. I was brought up in inner city Manchester with a large population of immigrants who made a huge effort to integrate , because of this they were accepted fully into our community .

Because it seems that the Muslims give most rise for concern. Washerwomans experience is most concerning. Sadly I have similar experience even in such a culturally diverse area. Forced marriage. Forced marriage of under age girls to mentally ill men to 'cure' them was a particularly sickening thing. Islamic culture allows marriages that other faiths forbid. Child after child can be born each with more devastating genetic conditions. I realise that these are extreme cases - but they are real! I have worked or tried to work with these desperately ill used women. I haven't seen this in other religious or cultural groups. And Rotherham! These are not British values. If people don't like our values then they are quite welcome to return to countries where they can do things their way -but leave the women and girls here!!

why do you think Casy's report focused so much on Muslims
Because the majority of immigrants who dont integrate are muslims, simple's
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we have to hope that things will change Petra in RL [ am not bothered about the way it goes on a forum]

Eloquent post washerwoman.

Washerwoman Thanks for sharing that. I'm sure the majority of people are aware of the way things are going, but it's the minority who will hold sway in this debate, and for that reason, nothing will change, it's gone too far now.