An oath on British Values?

I'm sure there are some very important issues to deal with in the Casey report, but please please don't so much pressure and responsibility on the schools to lead the way. Its not right.

I read that discussion Ana and although I did not post on the thread it started me thinking. Would I be happy? I'm still not sure. My DGC's school is a non-faith school but they do uphold Christian values and they do celebrate Christmas and it is not called the winter festival or any crap like that and other Christian holidays.

I don't even know what 'British values' are anymore, I just know what mine are, which were instilled into me when I was a child in a different age and which have never left me. I'm not sure even my children share them wholeheartedly so why would I expect anyone else to. I do agree with those who say that we have given too much ground to political correctness, and I think there is now an expectation among some immigrant communities that no-one has the right to voice any contrary opinion about their culture, customs and ideologies even when they pose a risk to society. It may be too late now to shut that particular stable door, particularly in our large Northern cities. Too much ground has been lost.

I don't think Mumsy's post is racist though Anya. She is just expressing a view that she does not think "we" (the UK) should allow any more immigrants to come. Not racist, just an opinion.

British values must include sexual equality and the freedom to marry (or not) whoever you want.

What are British values?

I'm sure we'd like to say tolerance, understanding, charity, fairness and lots of other nice things.

Sadly listening to some people and reading/watching the media it's more likely intolerance, misunderstanding, selfishness, unfairness and other unpleasant things.

We have tried almost too hard to accept other cultures ,to the detriment of our own in some ways. Think we need to take a long hard look at what is happening and don't let the rampant PC brigade take over

There was a thread on here recently about an Imam's visit to a primary school and the OP was saying her son and DIL were keeping their children off that day.

It developed into an interesting discussion.

I'm surprised that Mumsy's blatantly racist post has slipped beneath the radar of other posters.

Let me say Mumsy that was not acceptable.

Interestingly there was a thread on Mumsnet about a parent not wanting their primary school child to be in school for a visit from an Imam, precisely on the issue of women's status, because they were not sure what might be said about it.

Indeed Jane!

Some ethnic groups seem to integrate better than others. I liked what that report said about women and girls. We have tiptoed round some pretty abusive practises in an effort not to be seen as racist. In Britain we don't treat our women and girls as second class citizens and that is a 'British value' that I'm proud of.

integration!

Schools are required to teach British values - it is a total farce. I wonder which Britons they are referring to. OK, ask an immigrant to agree to abide by British law - that is fair enough - but values are a more nebulous concept. And in any event there is no way of enforcing the agreement to abide by values.

It is just a fact that immigrants tend to mix with their own and to have a slightly different value system, just as do the Brits in the Dordogne. I think kitty's point about over-adapting to their needs rather than helping them actively with the process of immigration is a good one. But we cannot ask people to be someone they are not and they are bound to be steeped in the culture of their homeland and take time to adapt.

Well said, kittylester.

More hot air, more waste of time and money.

I'm not sure about the oath but I welcome the report from Louise Casey. We need to have a debate about integration from all sorts of points of view - colour, religion, nationality, class etc. I welcome immigrants but we have bent over backwards not to offend them rather than helping them integrate.

More government nonsense!! they shouldnt be let in in the first instance!