NHS winter crisis looms

Corbyn is demanding that May come to the commons on Monday to discuss the crisis. Anyone on Twitter must have noticed that.

Are you all demanding that an emergency debate on the NHS takes place from your MPs?

DJ I hate to burst your bubble, and I know you are a political animal and genuinely care, but the average Brit doesn't watch PMQT.

Honest.

Probably Jen.

Corbyn has issued the following - I am demanding the PM attends the house on Monday

Every PMQs Corbyn has been asking questions about the NHS and social care.
Am I the only one who has noticed?

That's what I mean, daphne.
You say the local press is onside.

It's the same with a hospital near here.
Shotley Bridge is the one where Simon Stevens started and he says it will not be closed, but they have closed down the only ward there. However, our MP is involved and the local papers.
In Northumberland, they have closed hospital A&Es and opened up a new all dancing one at Cramlington. Very nice, but it's too small already, people on trolleys in corridors.
Northumberland is being used as a trial for all the new systems they are trying out. They don't work.
Newspapers involved, MPs involved. A shame that the Tories took Berwick, a big area, which used to be Libdem.

STPs are trying to make the NHS a local issue, allowing the minister to get away with saying it's not his fault.
We need to argue locally and nationally.

If there are not too many people why is Durham A&E doubling in size?

Well, it gets enough stick on GN without false news being peddled about it!

dj, Labour can't remain intransigent and expect voters to come to them. They need to wake up to the realities of politics and start to woo voters. They really aren't. They can scream from the rooftops about the NHS (and I don't think many people would disagree that it's going downhill), but they don't have an alternative strategy and allow others to drive the agenda by claiming that it's bad management, wasting resources, etc.

djen I hope that I don't need a hospital either, and I am kind enough to hope that you won't need one either, because they are overcome with demand.

Fair enough, Ana. I just noticed it when I was buying a bottle of milk. I obviously made a mistake about which paper it was. I apologise for defaming the DM.

The NHS has no chance at all and how I think about it has no relevance, because I'm one person and Labour has no chance in a million years of winning in my constituency. I'm trying to look at the situation objectively, as I can, because I don't matter. Corbyn is doing an abysmal job at getting his message across to the majority of voters. It really doesn't matter how 'right' he is, Labour needs to be in government to do anything.

PS. I've written to my MP as part of a group trying to utilise an almost empty community hospital by reinstating mental health services, rehabilitation wards and community services. It's been a minefield, because there is no single authority in charge. The local council isn't interested and our MP sends polite responses, but does nothing. We carry on hurting our heads against brick walls, but the local press is now onside.

All Essex hospitals have been on 'black alert' at some stage over the last few weeks, but nothing will be done unless there are votes involved and a pending election. That's the reality.

I saw the front pages of a few of the daily papers in Tesco, daphnedill. Not online. Just saying, it wasn't the DM.

Daphne, even if the Conservatives will walk an election, the people who are supposed to vote for them will need the NHS, won't they?
It's not just Labour supporters who are losing out.

Last week there was an article about Durham A&E. It is going to double in size, because it is treating twice as many people as it was built for. It opened in 2001!

We know al that DJ as we do watch the news. But didn't see any comment from the so-called opposition. Useless bunch of .....

For gods sake, another excuse to have a go at Corbyn
He's the gift that keeps on giving

Oh! Just another chance to have a go at Corbyn!! And when was the last time I 'had a go' DJ? Please inform me if you find anything recent

I'm having a go at the whole useless lot of them. DD is spot on as, if he is indeed 'shouting it from the rooftops', then it's drifting away on the ether.

His PR team need to bring him down to earth and turn the volume up, because I'm simply not hearing it, nor from the response to my post, is anyone else. And Annie's right to pull you up,and remind you that the LibDems are not the party of opposition, and besides their 'leader' is a wet fish too. ???

Rubbish, roses. There are not too many people, there is too little money.
It's a political choice made by this government and the coalition.

www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jan/06/it-was-manic-patients-describe-meltdown-at-worcestershire-hospital

Two people died on trolleys; a woman had a heart attack after waiting for 35 hours to be seen; a man had an aneurysm and couldn't be saved.

All this could be going on at an A&E near you.
Hope you don't need to use one, roses.

Maybe I made a mistake about which paper it was, Ana, but I definitely read it. I'm not going back to check - sorry! Annoyingly, papers often have different headlines in the paper and online versions.

In any case, most of the mainstream media and even posters here on GN deny that it's a funding problem and try to blame other factors or deny that it's a problem at all. That's the point I was really making.

"At the same hearing, the Health Secretary signalled that he would back tax rises for the NHS in the long-term. But Jeremy Hunt also urged young people to save now to pay for their old age.

Mr Hunt said increasing spending on health and social care was a "sensible choice” he would support, if the economy is strong enough. "We are going to have to find a way of devoting a greater share of our national resources into health and social care without doubt,” he said. "

At the Lords Committee on health and social care funding.
Note the sense of urgency. This was 13th December.

Jen Trump did countless tv appearances , and it does matter if the official oposition are useless . Accept it Jen, he is hopeless and I am not getting at him, just stating a fact.

Corbyn shouting anything from the rooftops won't make a blind bit of difference.

* djen* you say that May is too busy with Brexit to care about health ..... well, yes, she probably is! That's why there is a Health Minister and dept to deal with it.The NHS has been 'in crisis' for quite a while, for all sorts of reasons, but mainly because there are too many people making claims on it.

It's not to do with voting, Annie. It doesn't matter who is the official opposition. By the time of the next election we won't have a recognisable NHS.
People get mobilised on twitter. How do you think Trump ended up being voted president?

The lib Dems are not the official,oposition party ,they have nine MP's

If as you claim Jen - no one listens - ask why , and no use blaming the media for not reporting him shouting from the roof tops, he will not give interviews

jawing on Twitter will not reach the majority of voters

That's strange, daphnedill. The front page of today's DM that I saw was all about Foreign Aid - no mention of the NHS.