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NHS winter crisis looms

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JessM Fri 09-Dec-16 19:46:17

The NHS is struggling and winter is setting in.
Jeremy Hunt is asking for "efficiency savings" - in other words he is making cuts when demand is rising steeply as a result of our aging population. This means that every year the NHS needs a lot more money, to just maintain their service.
Over the last 6 years Trusts have been heavily pressured by Jeremy Hunt to cut beds - "increase bed occupancy" - to become "more efficient". So there are fewer beds in the system to cope with the inevitable rise in winter admissions.
Social care budgets have been heavily cut in England so there is less of a safety net for frail people living at home - so more likely to end up in hospital.
Noro virus outbreaks in hospitals are already up on the last few years - and that tends to close whole wards.
Today I read that 7% that is one in 14 English people are waiting for non-routine operations. Suspect there aren't going to be many beds available for those on the lists. Longest waiting list for 9 years
www.theguardian.com/society/2016/dec/08/one-in-14-people-waiting-operations-demand-nhs-soars
www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-38263593
And is this a taste of things to come - flu closing school in Manchester? if there is a flu epidemic things are going to get really nasty. Best advice is, if you haven't had a flu jab yet, get one. They're about a tenner in a pharmacy near you, if you're not entitled to a free one!
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-38241513

durhamjen Sat 07-Jan-17 15:06:13

www.kingsfund.org.uk/press/press-releases/kings-fund-responds-letter-select-committees

www.kingsfund.org.uk/publications/articles/2017-make-or-break-year-forward-view

durhamjen Sat 07-Jan-17 15:03:07

Well, what chance has the NHS if even you think like that, Daphne?
What are the Libdems doing about it?

Jalima Sat 07-Jan-17 15:02:47

Isthis the one Jane10 or is there a newer one?

www.kingsfund.org.uk/publications/articles/nhs-agenda-for-action

durhamjen Sat 07-Jan-17 15:01:31

How many of you have written to your MPs about it?
How many of you have joined your local KONP to keep our NHS public?
How many of you have checked on your local STP and found out which A&Es are up for closure in the next reorganisation that can be seen from space?

Where is Jeremy Hunt?

daphnedill Sat 07-Jan-17 14:57:32

No, they won't take any notice, because the Conservatives will walk an election. Corbyn & Co need to realise that they won't win just by being right (or righteous). They need to up their political game fast.

daphnedill Sat 07-Jan-17 14:54:33

To be fair to him, Corbyn has been active on Twitter today signposting followers to Ashworth's BBC and LBC interviews. If Corbyn has indeed been shouting it from the rooftops, he needs to replace his PR team, because they're not doing a good job. I walked past a Daily Mail in the news stands this morning and the headline was that the so-called winter crisis is 'spin'. The DM has over two million readers, compared with a few hundred thousand Labour Party members. Labour needs to get its message through to the majority. At the moment it isn't.

durhamjen Sat 07-Jan-17 14:49:13

www.hospitaldr.co.uk/blogs/our-news/select-committee-chairs-urge-pm-launch-review-health-social-care-funding

Clive Betts, Labour MP.
Meg Hillier, Labour MP.
Sarah Wollaston, Tory MP.

Will May take any notice? Will she heck.
Far too interested in Brexit to notice what's happening to health and social care.

durhamjen Sat 07-Jan-17 14:45:14

For god's sake, another excuse to get at Corbyn!
The Labour party and Corbyn have been shouting it from the rooftops for ages.
Nobody bloody well listens.

daphnedill Sat 07-Jan-17 14:41:15

I'm waiting for the outburst, too, Anya. Did anybody see the midday BBC News? Apparently Jon Ashworth was talking about the crisis. He's only been Shadow Health Secretary since October, so I guess he's till finding his feet in that role, although he's been around for a while.

Jane10 Sat 07-Jan-17 14:07:45

There was a very detailed analysis of why the NHS is struggling and included some suggestions. I read it on Twitter but don't know how to copy it to here. I think the Kings Fund did it but I might be wrong.
Bottom line -increasing population, increasing percentage of elderly people, need to develop other forms of effective care. Privatisation not mentioned.

Lazigirl Sat 07-Jan-17 13:31:47

Too true Anya. How much worse do things have to get? The NHS is rapidly being dismantled and replaced by profit making companies, the elderly are being neglected, food banks in every town, many unable to afford a place to live. What a divided dysfunctional society we have become, and yet people apparently ok with this as Tory party 17% ahead in polls.

Anya Sat 07-Jan-17 12:18:45

Labour needs to get off its collective backside and start shouting about the state of the NHS. If the Blessèd Jeremy can't be arsed then now's the time for someone else to show some leadership FFS.

whitewave Sat 07-Jan-17 12:12:59

Oh dj I saw this, this morning it is devastating. What is Hunt doing. Brexit seems to be taking up everyone's energies and eyes are definitely off balls.

Lazigirl Sat 07-Jan-17 11:55:12

I just can't believe that this government is allowing this to happen in our affluent country, and why everyone isn't out on the streets protesting, but I suppose until you are personally affected it doesn't hit home. God help us if there is a flu epidemic. Shaming indeed.

durhamjen Fri 06-Jan-17 18:13:36

For heavens sake, is this what the Red Cross is for?

www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/commissioning/commissioning-topics/emergency-admissions/red-cross-deployed-to-cope-with-nhs-humanitarian-crisis/20033586.article

The government should be ashamed of this.

durhamjen Wed 04-Jan-17 23:40:27

twitter.com/hashtag/DoHballs?src=hash

durhamjen Wed 04-Jan-17 22:39:43

A shame it's behind a paywall in the BMJ. I'd like to read it all.

www.thecanary.co/2017/01/04/theresa-may-just-savaged-nhs-tory-health-chair/

durhamjen Mon 02-Jan-17 22:20:53

www.welfareweekly.com/nhs-staff-morale-hits-rock-bottom-as-confidence-in-jeremy-hunt-plummets/

durhamjen Mon 02-Jan-17 11:50:03

www.gov.uk/government/people/deborah-kobewka

durhamjen Mon 02-Jan-17 11:47:03

I know all that, Jalima, but it doesn't tell you who is on the governance board. I can only find one name, and that does not make a board.

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2017/01/02/there-would-have-been-no-social-care-crisis-if-half-of-all-qe-had-been-given-to-the-local-and-devolved-governments-of-the-uk/

This can solve the NHS and social care crisis, if there is the will to do so.

Jalima Sat 31-Dec-16 15:21:58

is it a Quango?

I thought there was going to be a bonfire of Quangos

Jalima Sat 31-Dec-16 15:21:04

Healthcare UK is a joint initiative of the Department of Health (DH), UK Trade and Investment (UKTI) and NHS England.
www.gov.uk/government/organisations/healthcare-uk/about

There is a Governance Board

durhamjen Sat 31-Dec-16 13:56:35

Can oyu tell me who governs Healthcare UK? As far as I can see there is only one director. Can't find out any more information.

durhamjen Sat 31-Dec-16 13:49:47

Exactly, daphne. There are far too many bodies involved in the NHS nowadays. Use of the NHS logo in no way implies that the company is part of the NHS. Any company can buy the right to use the logo.
Completely wrong in my opinion.

Have a Happy New Year.
Off to celebrate now, with my son.

daphnedill Sat 31-Dec-16 13:38:30

I don't understand the point you're making, dj. Healthcare UK has been set up as a separate body with its own governance. It is accountable to the DIT and DH, but not part of either, in the same way that outsourced healthcare providers often display NHS logos. The DH is not the same as the NHS either.