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NHS winter crisis looms

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MaizieD Sat 10-Dec-16 10:04:09

We seem to have a strange trend in the UK for the turkeys to vote for Christmas. Who was the group who mainly voted for the Tories? The elderly.

Did they believe the promise that the NHS was safe in their hands?

Lazigirl Sat 10-Dec-16 10:02:33

Absolutely Anya. Most people I know would prefer this if given the choice. It is the definite ideology of this Government to get rid of the NHS. I know a few people who have paid recently to be seen privately (out of meagre savings) because the wait to see a consultant, or for investigations, is a very long time, including a couple of people with cancer. You don't realise how bad it is until you need treatment yourself.

Anya Sat 10-Dec-16 09:47:47

We all need to demand tax rises to fund the NHS and be prepared to pay more ourselves.

JessM Sat 10-Dec-16 09:03:58

Well it happens in the 3rd world, sharing hospital beds sad
The Welsh government are doing their best to provide as much funding as possible for the NHS - but due to Tory cuts, many other things are set to suffer - libraries, youth services etc etc Because Welsh Labour government are prioritising Health and Social Care. Wales is not privatising and does not have its hospitals working in relatively small Trusts. Instead, large health boards. Wales does however have a high level of demand because the population is poorer and therefore sicker.

Thanks for the 22 year old link Bags smile smile . I think it's safe to assume that the graph carries on rising in countries like the UK, where life expectancy is steadily rising and therefore the need is rising sharply. We probably all know people who have had all kinds of expensive treatments form the NHS during their 70s and 80s. Or multiple hospital admissions. Or repeat prescriptions that come in a full carrier bag. If we had had a sharp dip in the birth rate after the war, the NHS would not be needing additional funding now.

thatbags Sat 10-Dec-16 08:26:04

They'll be talking about increasing bed turnover next wink

thatbags Sat 10-Dec-16 08:25:38

Haha! db. Yes, it is the most obvious interpretation grin

thatbags Sat 10-Dec-16 08:25:00

Complaint by Martin McCluskie for Inverclyde.

For example.

DaphneBroon Sat 10-Dec-16 08:24:58

"Increase bed occupancy"??
You mean like sharing? (Sshh don't tell Jeremy Hunt or it will be his next initiative)

thatbags Sat 10-Dec-16 08:20:07

In real terms the proportion of GDP spent on healthcare is increasing globally. I'd be interested to see figures from 1994 on this graph:

thatbags Sat 10-Dec-16 08:14:04

The Scottish Government is also making (has made) cuts in health care funding though. I'm pleased about this winter's extra funding for winter bugs but it is essentially window dressing.

durhamjen Sat 10-Dec-16 00:47:38

Well done, the Scottish government. It doesn't want to privatise the NHS, though, unlike NHSE.

This is interesting. After Brexit, the 2012 Health and Social Care Act goes out the window. We could stop the privatisation then, if there is any left of it.

voxpoliticalonline.com/2016/12/09/will-brexit-scupper-the-tories-nhs-privatisation-plan/

paddyann Fri 09-Dec-16 19:59:07

the Scottish government have already announced extra cash to alleviate the problems over the winter,I think thats a good move,dealing with the issue BEFORE it becomes a problem.

JessM Fri 09-Dec-16 19:46:17

The NHS is struggling and winter is setting in.
Jeremy Hunt is asking for "efficiency savings" - in other words he is making cuts when demand is rising steeply as a result of our aging population. This means that every year the NHS needs a lot more money, to just maintain their service.
Over the last 6 years Trusts have been heavily pressured by Jeremy Hunt to cut beds - "increase bed occupancy" - to become "more efficient". So there are fewer beds in the system to cope with the inevitable rise in winter admissions.
Social care budgets have been heavily cut in England so there is less of a safety net for frail people living at home - so more likely to end up in hospital.
Noro virus outbreaks in hospitals are already up on the last few years - and that tends to close whole wards.
Today I read that 7% that is one in 14 English people are waiting for non-routine operations. Suspect there aren't going to be many beds available for those on the lists. Longest waiting list for 9 years
www.theguardian.com/society/2016/dec/08/one-in-14-people-waiting-operations-demand-nhs-soars
www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-38263593
And is this a taste of things to come - flu closing school in Manchester? if there is a flu epidemic things are going to get really nasty. Best advice is, if you haven't had a flu jab yet, get one. They're about a tenner in a pharmacy near you, if you're not entitled to a free one!
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-38241513