The cost of Brexit for us; the ordinary people

Only one Gransnetter really, Jalima, any support she had for her view was only half-hearted (CBA to look back now). Just an attempt at point-scoring, as usual.

Where did I make a sarcastic comment? Can you give me a reference

Yes that is correct as I said "reported" hate crimes rose by 41%

However you are disputing this is that correct?

So it's good enough for The Guardian, the BBC and John Prescott but unacceptable to Gransnetters.

And dont forget Tim Farron and the Telegraph Jalima - you might have missed my earlier link.

Unbelievable how angry a small group of posters are here!
In ladies of a certain age one would expect a little more serenity.
Tea anyone?

Yes that is correct as I said "reported" hate crimes rose by 41%

However you are disputing this is that correct?

No I am saying innocent until proven guilty WW.
I have already explained once. Please reread.

mair the next thing I would like to challenge is your suggestion when talking of "mass immigration" is your suggestion that "we bring then in"

I think that it was almost certainly a loose but unfortunate way of describing the pull factor, but bring them in we don't, unless you are talking about business recruitment.

Jesus bloody wept!

I haven't said don't use the term. Just that it smacks of thuggery and violence and I'm surprised that people think it's acceptable.

If all you wonderful, peace loving, rational dear old grans are perfectly happy with its use please feel free. I'm not stopping you.

maizie

Well, your first sentence is truly shocking to me!!

I can remember when was it Richard Dimbleby was overheard using it on the BBC and there was an uproar.

But 'getting a kicking' in an election is an acceptable political term as far as I am aware.
thuggery and violence?
don't be daft.

Quite honestly, this thread has become surreal.

People dishing out insults right left and centre and then objecting to well-known political terms used by the BBC, the Guardian etc

Oh dear.

Yes, but at least MaizieD thinks we are wonderful, peace loving, rational dear old grans - doesn't that give you a warm glow, Jalima?

Well, many of us are - aren't we Ana ?

It's just the norty BBC and Guardian, teaching us bad habits.

Now, if it had been in the Daily Mail I could understand it.

mair on page 27 you argue that a Malthusian future is the best way forward. In fact you described yourself as a Malthusian

This is how I understand this population theory - developed before the -industrial revolution,works.

Malthus theory argued that the population grows exponentially whilst food arithmetically. Of course the industrial revolution put paid to this argument, but there are still Neo-Malthusisms that feel his theory holds traction like yourself.

Malthus, when looking at the "problem" he saw as population growth, argued that we should restrict marriage between the poor and between people with "defects"
Malthus described a concept he used "positive checks". This describes processes such as war, starvation, disease etc as a positive phenomenon, as they help to stabilise the population to a more stabilise level.

This is no more than a very brief overview.

It is an extremely pessimistic and inhumane theory, attracting criticism from the whole spectrum of political thought.

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/03/why-isnt-jeremy-corbyn-kicking-the-government-while-its-down/

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-corbyn-told-kick-ken-7856561

www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-vote-of-no-confidence-labour-plp-kicking-him-out-general-election-establishment-lack-a7107246.html

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3701445/Confident-Corbyn-warns-Labour-rebels-kicked-party-offers-hand-friendship-hate-him.html

www.thesun.co.uk/news/2222862/labours-john-mcdonnell-describes-violent-student-riots-as-the-best-of-our-movement-in-damning-footage

He described the students’ actions as “kicking the out of Millbank” referring to the Westminster building.

'Good kicking' 'kick the ass out of' 'kick out' are widely used terms and the world of politics is awash with comments easily found to support this being so.

I am amazed politically astute posters have never heard or read the term before when used in the obvious context used by Mair.

Is to 'give a good kicking' an idiom when used in this context?

That's very clever of you, POGS, only showing where Labour use the phrase.
How did you manage that?
I hope you noticed, Jalima, that there's not a single quote from the Guardian or the BBC.

That should read John McDonnell saying 'kicking the s--t' out of Milbank' by the way.

He has a lovely way with words as we all know.

Who can forget his 'lynching' comment, now there is a really cuddly fella.

Actually, sorry, that was wrong. It's said about the Labour party, not by the Labour party.

I thought we'd already had a quote from the Guardian - not that it really matters...sigh!

I just put in to google 'give a good kicking' comments and it came up with them durhamjen. Try it yourself.

You are quite prepared to put links up to bloggers which trade in vile comments, insults and as they say themselves irreverent comments so not sure why you would find using a term such as 'give a good kicking' much thought.

Maizie ....just admit it, you used the 'kicking' simply as a point scoring deal, you weren't shocked or bothered in any way,it's so obvious.
djen if you had read earlier reports on politically getting a kicking, then you would have seen that Farron also used it, in fact lots of people, including politicians do.
A storm in a teacup started by a poster who objected to the phrase and then heads a post with 'Jesus bloody wept'.....yep, that sounds like a person who is worried by offensive language doesn't it?

Flogging dead horses???

What are you on about?
I've just come on and seen what you put up. I'm not concerned about the term as I have not read what has been going on today.
Mair has written rather a lot of rubbish since I was last on, which I can't be bothered to read in detail, as most of it seems to come straight from UKIP.

Oh, do you want me to find them?
I think I posted a link to the BBC one and I did read the Guardian one online.

I am not a fibber!!

well, here's the Independent (can you get more independent?)
[[ www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-voters-want-to-give-the-establishment-a-kicking-says-unite-union-boss-len-mccluskey-a7237476.htm]]l

oh, sorry, he is Labour too

We just think the whole 'ooh, what awful language, never heard anything like it, so unacceptable' from Maizie is hilarious.

POGS, I just tried it and not one of those links came up on the first 5 pages. You must have looked a long way down the list to find them.