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What is Populism

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whitewave Fri 06-Jan-17 17:31:47

About 2 years ago on here we mentioned the worrying rise of the populist right, and have gradually seen evidence of this with it culminating in the Trump election.

So I have been trying to get to grips and doing some reading to try to establish what exactly a populist party looks like and it's fundamental philosophies.

We know of populist party leaders:- Trump, Le Pen, Hoffer, Wilders and Farage amongst others.

Whilst they each represent a slightly different version, I think we can identify 3 main characteristics

Anti-establishment
Authoritarian
Nationalist.

Anti establishment because
It is a philosophy that emphasises faith in the wisdom and virtue of ordinary people as opposed to the "corrupt" establishment. There is a deep cynicism and resentment against the existing authorities

So you have

People -good
Elites - bad

Authoritarian because
It's leanings feature the personal power of one leader who is thought to reflect the will of the people

Nationalist/ xenophobic nationalism because
It tends to assume that people are a uniform whole, and favours mono-culturalism over multi-culturalism
Favours national self interest over international cooperation and development aid
Favours closed borders over the free flow of people and ideas, as well as capital, goods and labour
Finally favours Traditionalism over progressive liberal values.

So we have witnessed the rhetoric which seeks to stir up a potent mix of racial resentment, intolerance of multiculturalism, nationalist isolationism, misogyny and sexism. There is strong-man leadership and attack dog politics.

Populism therefore can be described as xenophobic authoritarianism.

whitewave Mon 20-Feb-17 12:14:27

Just watching a select committee and they are talking about the far right and their methods of wrinkling their way into our society, and the hate crime rise.

Very interestingly - which I didn't know and is important to note.

Populism was a euphonism for Jewish domination pre-war and they noted that it is being argued now by the far right. The term the committee has been told is that it has been whitewashed and repackaged, but it is just as dangerous as in the 30s.

daphnedill Sat 18-Feb-17 01:40:38

This is fairly long, but if people have time and are interested in populism, this interview between Nick Clegg and Jonathan Haidt is worth watching:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gZ5UD1hFM4&t=420s

Mair Mon 23-Jan-17 15:12:43

LOL is that an invitation to the Party WW? wink

whitewave Sun 22-Jan-17 21:04:33

Have you read it?

Mair Sun 22-Jan-17 21:03:55

There is one on globalization. Globalization is a process, globalism is a political belief.

whitewave Sun 22-Jan-17 19:59:30

Try the globalist thread

Mair Sun 22-Jan-17 19:55:45

Oh dear Whitewave, you promised to "ignore" me! Seems I am once again to be treated to your charming company...

grin

Seems that its you who fails to understand the meaning of globalist.
This should help:
dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/globalist

Mair Sun 22-Jan-17 19:48:44

Mair - has it ever occurred to you that when JFK was president, the world was a very different place and America had a very different view of its "responsibilities" to prevent Russia/Communism over running the world.

Kennedy's handling of the Cuban missile crisis was nothing to do with "preventing Russia/Communism over running the world". There was no threat of that involved.
Of course "the world was a different place". hmm

whitewave Sun 22-Jan-17 19:11:17

Some people do not seem to have heard of the Cold War. The use of the word globalist is clearly totally misunderstood, but probably something that sounds good, so we may as well shove it in at every hopefully appropriate opportunity, in the hope it impresses grin

Araabra Sun 22-Jan-17 18:47:13

"I find it hard to believe that had JFK not been assassinated, the world would have been a better place."

Of course you are correct, JFK would have succeeded in plunging the world in another war, life as we know it would be far worse.

Iam64 Sun 22-Jan-17 18:26:20

Mair - has it ever occurred to you that when JFK was president, the world was a very different place and America had a very different view of its "responsibilities" to prevent Russia/Communism over running the world. I don't say that was the right point of view but I find it hard to believe that had JFK not been assassinated, the world would have been a better place.

Ankers - your homilies about the Trumps home life have omitted the numerous allegations from women of sexual harassment or assault, many of which came after his marriage to the current Mrs Trump. His former wife made allegations of serious assault.

Mair Sun 22-Jan-17 18:19:41

Try to keep conversation to the topic Daph, without resorting to playground name calling.

daphnedill Sun 22-Jan-17 18:08:06

I seriously can't be bothered with you.

daphnedill Sun 22-Jan-17 18:07:40

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daphnedill Sun 22-Jan-17 18:07:08

Have you ever considered that there might be some kind of vaccination against 'leftism'?

More to the point, have you ever put your brain into gear about what 'leftism' is?

It really does seem that you've been programmed with the McCarthyism app, but haven't been updated.

Mair Sun 22-Jan-17 17:57:26

It's telling that the POTUS who took us closest to a nuclear war was he so beloved of the globalist left that he will forever sit alongside the Omighty one grin, none other than JFK!

Ankers Sun 22-Jan-17 17:33:13

I dont think he will press the button, unless he goes totally insane.

I do think though, that if enough people say that he is wonderful, it goes to his head and he does more and more things etc.

To me, and something I havent already said, [and others may not agree with me] is that currently, his home life seems remarkably stable. And he appears to have great love for his family, and them to him.
This should help him keep on the straight and narrow?

And I think people would have to agree that there is not too much to dislike about how his family members behave, including his children??

I dont understand the Putin stuff at all.
I very much wonder whether he has a lot of debts somewhere[probably monetary debt?] tied up with Russia.

I did say to someone in rl[non american] who likes Trump, and I would say is a reasonable person, that Trump is unpredictable.
The person said good! I cant remember his reason now.

daphnedill Sun 22-Jan-17 17:21:36

He's so unpredictable that nobody knows. He behaves like a toddler.

I agree with you Ankers. I can seriously imagine him pressing the nuclear button...just for fun. Meanwhile, Putin (who really is no fool) is playing games with him and the whole of America and the West.

Ankers Sun 22-Jan-17 17:13:29

Some people on gransnet have been saying they dont think Turmp will do much, get bored, wont be able to do much etc.

I have said that my concern is that he will go too far.

whitewave Sun 22-Jan-17 15:19:57

Pope warns against the rise of populismgrin he needs to read GN!!!!!!

Iam64 Sat 21-Jan-17 19:00:39

This is another of those occasions when I wish there was an edit button. Trump is also offensive about black Americans and his behaviour/statements towards the parents of the young Muslim officer killed in action were outrageous. Plus he was supported by the KKK. When we were in the US in the build up to the election, we talked with many black African Americans - not one of whom was voting for Trump. No wonder!

Iam64 Sat 21-Jan-17 18:58:30

Thanks daphnedill - that'll teach me for trying to be reasonable grin

daphnedill Sat 21-Jan-17 14:52:45

Iam64 If you won't say that Trump is antisemitic, I will. There were definitely antisemitic undertones in some of his campaigning, which is surprising because his SiL is Jewish and his daughter has converted to Judaism. It hasn't gone unnoticed in the Jewish press.

daphnedill Sat 21-Jan-17 14:48:07

Fair enough! I thought it was from its description of itself.

varian Sat 21-Jan-17 14:47:39

There is no doubt that right wing populism is on the rise with French fascist Marine le Pen and Dutch fascist Geert Wilders meeting the leaders of other Europaean far right natonalists in Koblenz,

They are celebrating Donald Trump's inauguration and have adopted his toxic rhetoric which chimes so well with their fascist agenda.

Le Pen is currently the front runner in the French presidential election polls, We should be very worried