Humanitarian Crisis in UK

For a good number of years hospitals have been very stretched over the Winter, some years more than others, depending on weather.

Greece had a humanitarian crisis this year.We have not.

Political leanings perhaps.

I have to agree Jalima and with such a large amount of people on this forum,it's quite likely that the Stafford Hospital featured tragically in somebody's life.

On the subject of humanitarian crisis, what are The Red Cross thinking of to make such a pronouncement!Ridiculous.
It doesn't matter what the dictionary defines it as, it sounds as if the Red Cross is getting into things that up to now it never has......You have to wonder why.

The Francis report said that there was possibly one avoidable death in Stafford Hospital. There were four independent reports done which found possibly six avoidable deaths over a number of years.
It was a fuss. The same fuss wasn't made about Hull Royal where I've seen rats just outside the ward where my dad died.
I never saw similar reports about Durham hospital where my husband was found crawling on the floor.

Many papers that wrote lurid reports about Staffordshire Hospital had to retract those statements, when they wrote that hundreds of people died unnecessarily. The retractions were not on the front pages.

I wonder why you keep trying to make this about Stafford, and aren't prepared to take what an independent well respected charity has described as a Humanitarian Crisis, seriously? If I had lost someone in the Stafford tragedy I hope I would be fighting and demonstrating to ensure it didn't happen elsewhere. We can do very little for the dead but vulnerable people could be protected if enough people protested.

I did not quote you out of context, I quoted part of your post which shows what you think of anyone making a fuss - OK to make one now then about what may happen, but not to make one about what actually happened under the last Labour government.

I suppose if the Tories had been in charge then people would be right to use Stafford as an example of what can go wrong. But as it was Labour in charge people are making a fuss.

What a breathtakingly arrogant, insensitive and prejudiced post.

I think it was the fact that fuss and Stafford Hospital appear in the same sentence.

You have no idea.

If you continue the rest of the post Jalima you would realise that I qualified that statement and that my concerns are to do with how many more people will die because of the present situation. But if quoting me out of context makes you feel better about what is happening feel free to do so.

Another Hunt porkie, it's only one or two hospitals.

I know some of you don't like swawkbox, but this is worth reading, about Stafford hospital.

skwawkbox.org/2017/01/09/compare-medias-nhs-collapse-silence-with-made-up-mid-staffs-feeding-frenzy/

It is interesting that such a fuss is still being made about the Stafford hospital^

I suppose if you didn't know anyone who died there you may not feel the same.

I've missed much of the news today, dj. Just reading about it. Hunt seems to have been dishing out plenty of pork pies today. Maybe they were left over from Christmas.

All Hunt seemed to do was to stand up, describe what happening, looked back at history and sit down. You didn't get the feeling that he is remotely pro active nor even beginning to work out a cunning plan. How do they take their salary without a twinge of guilt?

More lies from Hunt.

'Hunt challenged this saying: ‘In the last parliament we actually had a 5% increase in GPs, this parliament we’re planning the second biggest increase in GPs in the history of the NHS.’

However an official report by the NHS’s information centre, NHS Digital, last year showed full-time GP numbers fell 2% last year and education bosses have twice missed their mandate target to recruit 3,500 GP trainees.'

From pulsetoday.co.uk

You obviously missed it, daphne, because I have just heard him say it.

A humanitarian crisis (or "humanitarian disaster") is defined as a singular event or a series of events that are threatening in terms of health, safety or well being of a community or large group of people. ... Humanitarian crises can either be natural disasters, man-made disasters or complex emergencies.
So it isn't devaluing the language.
It is interesting that such a fuss is still being made about the Stafford hospital which horrendous although it might have been was one hospital in a huge system. What is significant about what is happening now is that it is a failure of the whole system and not of one particular trust. What we can expect to see if things go on as they are is Staffords across the whole country

Oh well, it must be true, dj

Apparently the four hour waiting target in A & E is only for urgent cases (according to Hunt). Errmm...so what counts as urgent? If someone is taken to A & E as an urgent case (stroke, heart attack, aneurysm, etc) I'd like to think they wouldn't have to wait four hours. Oh, hang on...

www.nhscampaign.org/get-involved-2/pledge/mp-questions.html

Anyone on facebook should be able to keep up-to-date with the peoples assembly actions.

For anyone who thinks this would happen whoever is in charge, read this.

www.nhscampaign.org/NHS-reforms/nhs-funding.html
Information from The Health Foundation and The Kings Fund.

"We actually spend a little bit more than the average for rich countries on our health services but we still have 150 avoidable deaths in our hospitals every week we still have weekend provision that's not as good in some places as it could be."

An Express reporter heard Hunt say it, daphne.

Whose mother? I don't know what you're talking about.
Yes, someone's mother was boasting about what her DD and husband earn as NHS managers, their wonderful expenses packages, how they get 1st class hotels, 1st class travel etc etc etc. So hearsay I suppose.
Some mothers!

Useful dj

"Over the next few days we're calling on all local groups and campaigns to do an emergency action at a local hospital.

In London this Thursday, we're organising an emergency rally at the Department of Health from 6pm.

Hunt Must Go - Rescue Our NHS
Emergency Protest - 6pm, Department of Health, Whitehall London
Invite your friends on Facebook

emergency_protest3.jpg
Organised by Junior Doctors Alliance, The People's Assembly, Health Campaigns Together

Saturday 14 January, Nationwide Day of Action

We're asking local groups and campaigns to set up an emergency rally or protest at local hospitals across the country. A series of leafleting actions for the National Demonstration have been organised already, you can find details on the Facebook event here. If you want to add to the list of flyering sessions and actions please email [email protected] so we can add to the list and promote.

Saturday 28 January

London Rally & Protest - Hands off our NHS 12:30 Old Palace Yard. Invite your friends on Facebook here."

From www.thepeoplesassembly.org.uk

I think you will find that the allowances paid to senior executives in the private sector are more than generous. Before you say "oh yes, but we don't have to pay them", indirectly, one way or another we do.

I don't understand why there is so much focus on hospital managers. There may be too many - I don't have access to the figures myself though I appreciate that news reports often cite top-heavy management rather than lack of funding. Every organisation needs managers and with the complication of the marketisation of the NHS there is a great deal of monitoring, reporting and general admin to be undertaken.

I doubt that any NHS managers can even come close to the sort of remuneration that CEOs and other senior executives are awarding each other in the private sector. On Wednesday 4 January it was reported "The High Pay Centre has dubbed today "Fat Cat Wednesday", after finding that bosses will rake in the median salary of £28,200 by midday." So in 3 days, top earners had already earned what the average worker earns for a whole year's work. And these are often the very people who use every device possible to avoid paying their fair share of tax.