Government must have vote on Brexit

trisher I wasn't being entirely serious - just musing. It certainly wasn't serious enough to cause gasket blowing.

Seriously, though, in two years time 'events' will have happened and we will hopefully know the outcome of negotiations. The demographic profile of the population will have changed slightly and current 16-18 year olds are more pro-Europe.

Even if there isn't another referendum, ignoring the wishes/needs of a growing sector of the population would be a mistake. They're already pi$$ed off at the prospect at having to work until they drop dead and supporting an ever ageing population.

Errmmm...I'm not sure Theresa May does listening - or, to be more accurate, she probably does listening and regurgitating her advisors' speeches, but she's not good at 'doing'.

My mum 98 voted remain. The really ancients can remember the war and the result of a divided Europe.

But not all of us voted for Brexit- even my mother who is 94 voted to Remain.
If TM wants to stay 'best friends' with the EU she needs to keep quiet for a bit and start listening.
And I haven't changed my opinion I think leaving the EU will be a disaster especially in the areas of the arts and cultural development which benefitted massively from EU money and which are regarded by this government as dispensable and not even necessary as school subjects.
But if anyone can reassure me I will listen.

Can't be bothered to work the numbers out exactly, but there are approximately 5.7 million 18-25 year olds and over 11.6 million over 65s, including over half a million over 90s.

Mair There are more over 65s in the country than there are 18-25s, so that's a meaningless statistic.

I'm not wishing the death of Brexit voters - that's just a fact of life (about the only certainty).

PS. I'm not over 65.

Ankers, I don't think you've understood. All I was pointing out is that the electorate won't be the same people in 2019. Today's 16-18 year olds are more pro-Europe than oldies. A referendum in 2019 with different voters might produce a different result. Who knows?

Blown gaskets can cause serious problems, but are rarely caused by facts.

DD
Hope your not wishing for the death of Brexit voters? Sounds like it.

So by March 2019 over 2% of the electorate will not have had an opportunity to vote and 2% won't be here any more. The winning margin was less that 4%. Hmmm...

Remember more over 65s voted Remain than under 25s.
You possibly were among them.

Wow! Theresa May insisted at Davos that the UK wants to remain “the best friend” to European partners.

Good luck with that, Theresa! It seems that your subjects aren't so keen on being friends.

I meant to leave the thread.

I must before I blow a gasket!

Really <goes away shaking head>

dd, but the voting public becomes more right leaning as it gets olders.
So those of say, guessing 42-44 years of age, some change and start voting right wing instead of missle or left iyswim

Also nothing and nobody stays still in life. Things change.

but the politics of division, and the language of division which has so unhappily been present in our country over the past few years must be rejected.

You cant change the world.

You cant even manage to change opinions of a few gransnetters on here!

I can't imagine who in the UK would give a fig what EU reporters and cartoonists think about T May and the UK. We have our own opinion of those 'Oldies'...

Been playing around with some figures...

46,499,532 people were eligible to vote in the referendum (excluding people living abroad).

Just over a million and a half babies were born in the UK between June 1994 and December 1996. They are currently 16-18 and all will be at least 18 by the time the UK leaves the EU.

The death rate for 2015 was 529,655 and there's no reason to think that will change much. That means that approximately a quarter of a million people who voted in the referendum have already died and by the time the UK leaves, an additional million or more will have died.

So by March 2019 over 2% of the electorate will not have had an opportunity to vote and 2% won't be here any more. The winning margin was less that 4%. Hmmm...

The EU certainly does have other problems Margaret !
Who are 'oldies' [
I think we can live with a few silly cartoons.

Yes ww there will be compromises along the way ( and that guarantees some will be miffed.)

The Supreme Court deliberately made no comment on how Brexit should be conducted. There is still absolutely no guarantees about EU migrants in the UK. Anything which has been claimed is speculation.

Yes, Margaret, I've been looking at some of the cartoons. Along with Boris, the impression seems to be that we're all clowns.

Right at the beginning someone on GN posted The Road to Brexit by Alan Renwick from UCL.
All the rules and agreements on how to leave are stated. As far as I can see nothing has changed. The EU does not spend any time trying to find ways to help or hinder the UK. We have other problems. Its all in that link The road to Brexit.

Theresa May was an embarressment when she was over last week. But the Oldies in the EU are still such gentlemen that she was made to feel welcome. Not so the reporters and the cartoonists. They had field day.

Listening to the commentaries outside the Suprmeme Court it seems that the EU migrants living in the EU shall not lose their identity and of course other EU rights which need to be protected.

Compromise, rose all is compromise!

Vigorous debate will and should happen by our parliamentary representatives, but the politics of division, and the language of division which has so unhappily been present in our country over the past few years must be rejected.

What do you mean by ALL ww, because whatever means is chosen can never please all, what the government and Parliament can do however is find what is actually the best deal they possibly can for the UK ( that in itself should please all, but very likely won't!)

ankers can't understand your post.

Tell me whitewave and Rinouchka[though I dont really "know" you as a poster], how come you are largely at odds even with the posters on gransnet?
I think there was a survey that said that your thoughts were the same as at least 50% of posters who answered a survey about politics last year.

Actually I really cant be bothered to post any more about this particular aspect
when whitewave, R and daphnedill think if they post and talk enough a consensus can be reached!

Well said, whitewave!

Those pessimists who want to do our country down by suggesting that we can never agree about what aBrexit Britain should look like are entirely wrong, and to suggest this is to attempt to reinforce the divisions that have grown up since the vote.

We CAN and must reach an agreement that ALL can accept. This will of course mean compromise, both with the EU and amongst ourselves. We are just at the foothills of some extraordinarily difficult negotiations. We have so far to go to achieve a country of value for our grandchildren. What we want should be immaterial, what our grandchildren need and want should be top priority.

The politics of division are not needed.

I was outside the Supreme Court yesterday afternoon (by coincidence) and there were lively debates outside as well as in. It is reassuring that constitutional law has been respected.

Talk of soft Brexit perplex me and the assumption in the general population that whatever Britain puts forward will be accepted by Europe. Surely all responses from Europe in the past few months have indicated otherwise?

We are in this for the long run. But I am very fond of my adopted country and wish it well, with the best possible outcome activated wisely.

Unless you have every intention of giving in completely, and millions of others too.

If you could do that, and are willing to do that, why dont you?